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Post by argy on Jun 19, 2021 19:20:05 GMT -5
There has been a fair bit of discussion about homosexuality in different threads of this forum. Several Catholics have called it "abominable", "intrinsically disordered", etc..
Here is an article about a gay priest who worked for many years in the Vatican.
Lepore, the subject of the article, estimates that 80 per cent of the Vatican staff are gay. This is no revelation, there are myriad accounts from "insiders" that reflect the same thing.
This would not be controversial if it wasn't for the hypocrisy of the practising homosexuals within the Vatican. They engage in gay sex, fall in love and have affairs with fellow priests and bishops. They then sit in judgement of others outside the church, denouncing sex outside marriage, ruling on women's reproductive rights and pronouncing homosexuality as an abomination and intrinsically disordered.
What do the "holier than thou" religious folk like wale64 and his ilk on this forum think about this?
Do you understand how such hypocrisy creates a strong negative perception of the church within the wider community.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 19:28:59 GMT -5
These homosexual and pedophile priests have violated their oaths, other individuals and have violated trust among their parishioners and should therefore be removed from their positions and handed over to the authorities to be subject to prosecution.
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Post by argy on Jun 19, 2021 19:52:11 GMT -5
These homosexual and pedophile priests have violated their oaths, other individuals and have violated trust among their parishioners...
These are the same people who routinely define and clarify what Catholicism is. You follow their words and your clergy is governed by their rulings. If their minds are "intrinsically disordered" then how can you take your religion seriously?
The Vatican has its own police force. The vast majority of them, according to the subject of the article, are gay. Do you seriously think a gay preist or cardinal would be prosecuted? If they were, the Vatican would crumble.
Also, homosexuality is not a crime in Italy. Loving another man is not a crime.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 22:59:49 GMT -5
These homosexual and pedophile priests have violated their oaths, other individuals and have violated trust among their parishioners...
These are the same people who routinely define and clarify what Catholicism is. You follow their words and your clergy is governed by their rulings. If their minds are "intrinsically disordered" then how can you take your religion seriously?
The Vatican has its own police force. The vast majority of them, according to the subject of the article, are gay. Do you seriously think a gay preist or cardinal would be prosecuted? If they were, the Vatican would crumble.
Also, homosexuality is not a crime in Italy. Loving another man is not a crime.
Loving another MAN as a man loves women is a sin
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Post by argy on Jun 19, 2021 23:57:03 GMT -5
These are the same people who routinely define and clarify what Catholicism is. You follow their words and your clergy is governed by their rulings. If their minds are "intrinsically disordered" then how can you take your religion seriously?
The Vatican has its own police force. The vast majority of them, according to the subject of the article, are gay. Do you seriously think a gay preist or cardinal would be prosecuted? If they were, the Vatican would crumble.
Also, homosexuality is not a crime in Italy. Loving another man is not a crime.
Loving another MAN as a man loves women is a sin
That's not what I asked.
According to your church homosexuality is intrinsically disordered. If your leadership (80% of the Vatican - which, if statistics are a guide, probably includes the Pope) is comprised of practising homosexuals who are, therefore, intrinsically disordered, how can you take your religion seriously?
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Post by Bogus0Pomp on Jun 20, 2021 0:07:33 GMT -5
These homosexual and pedophile priests have violated their oaths, other individuals and have violated trust among their parishioners... These are the same people who routinely define and clarify what Catholicism is. You follow their words and your clergy is governed by their rulings. If their minds are "intrinsically disordered" then how can you take your religion seriously? If one takes a serious and honest look at it, they would have to conclude that could not take their religion seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 7:11:39 GMT -5
Loving another MAN as a man loves women is a sin
That's not what I asked.
According to your church homosexuality is intrinsically disordered. If your leadership (80% of the Vatican - which, if statistics are a guide, probably includes the Pope) is comprised of practising homosexuals who are, therefore, intrinsically disordered, how can you take your religion seriously?
There is not an 80% membership of homosexuals BUT perhaps maybe @20-25%. They have led the religion and themselves astray which brings it back to a question of if there is a continual problem with custodians of God's word, ...MAYBE the homosexuals, who by their dysfunctional thoughts run counter to the Doctrine, are the ones who give Christianity a bad name and have prevented a positive picture of such.
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Post by argy on Jun 20, 2021 7:30:56 GMT -5
That's not what I asked.
According to your church homosexuality is intrinsically disordered. If your leadership (80% of the Vatican - which, if statistics are a guide, probably includes the Pope) is comprised of practising homosexuals who are, therefore, intrinsically disordered, how can you take your religion seriously?
There is not an 80% membership of homosexuals BUT perhaps maybe @20-25%. They have led the religion and themselves astray which brings it back to a question of if there is a continual problem with custodians of God's word, ...MAYBE the homosexuals, who by their dysfunctional thoughts run counter to the Doctrine, are the ones who give Christianity a bad name and have prevented a positive picture of such.
So you accept that you're religion has been "corrupted" by homosexuals?
Wow, you're in a seriously bad place.
If you can't trust homosexuals, who can you trust?
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Post by justin on Jun 20, 2021 7:51:34 GMT -5
If one takes a serious and honest look at it, they would have to conclude that could not take their religion seriously. What? Your premise is all screwy. That's like saying if a traffic court judge gets a speeding ticket, then all speed limit laws are now rendered moot and no longer need to be taken seriously. Or asking how a democrat could remain part of the party after they found money in William J Jefferson's freezer, or remain part of the republican party due to the allegations that Matt Gaetz sex trafficked underage girls. Or, how can we remain Americans when the Constitution originally stated that black people are 3/5 of a person. Nobody who follows traffic laws, or is a member of a political party or citizen of a country premise their status on the personal behavior of some of the people in leadership positions. It just doesn't make sense. Using logic, I believe the logical fallacy is Tu QuoqueYes, if I were to stipulate that the OP was accurate, then yes it is embarrassing and can be weaponized by the enemies of the Church. But remember, they're not changing the moral teachings of the Church, even when they have their own struggles with those teachings. To me, that speaks much louder than the appeals to hypocrisy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 8:03:31 GMT -5
There is not an 80% membership of homosexuals BUT perhaps maybe @20-25%. They have led the religion and themselves astray which brings it back to a question of if there is a continual problem with custodians of God's word, ...MAYBE the homosexuals, who by their dysfunctional thoughts run counter to the Doctrine, are the ones who give Christianity a bad name and have prevented a positive picture of such.
So you accept that you're religion has been "corrupted" by homosexuals?
Wow, you're in a seriously bad place.
If you can't trust homosexuals, who can you trust?
Normal dedicated people and not dysfunctional deviant homosexuals.
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Post by Bogus0Pomp on Jun 20, 2021 8:53:09 GMT -5
Most, nearly all, of them are not "out" so you would have no real way of knowing who's who. If their orientation concerns you so much, the most prudent path for you would be to not trust anyone in the church.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 10:52:28 GMT -5
Most, nearly all, of them are not "out" so you would have no real way of knowing who's who. If their orientation concerns you so much, the most prudent path for you would be to not trust anyone in the church. well since you are an outsider AS an atheist and homosexual, you'll not be shocked when your advice is looked at in the negative spirit it was given BUGGERPUMPED
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Post by Bogus0Pomp on Jun 20, 2021 12:39:34 GMT -5
Well, since you assume much that is incorrect, do not be surprised if your comment is given all the consideration that it deserves, to wit, none.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 14:59:17 GMT -5
Well, since you assume much that is incorrect, do not be surprised if your comment is given all the consideration that it deserves, to wit, none. That YOU give it no consideration is of no consequence as YOU suffer from many delusions and identity issues BUGGERPUMPED
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Post by argy on Jun 20, 2021 18:02:15 GMT -5
So you accept that you're religion has been "corrupted" by homosexuals?
Wow, you're in a seriously bad place.
If you can't trust homosexuals, who can you trust?
Normal dedicated people and not dysfunctional deviant homosexuals.
Which means that, if 80% of Vatican staff are practising homosexuals, you cannot trust them. Correct?
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