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Post by argy on Jun 19, 2021 19:20:05 GMT -5
There has been a fair bit of discussion about homosexuality in different threads of this forum. Several Catholics have called it "abominable", "intrinsically disordered", etc..
Here is an article about a gay priest who worked for many years in the Vatican.
Lepore, the subject of the article, estimates that 80 per cent of the Vatican staff are gay. This is no revelation, there are myriad accounts from "insiders" that reflect the same thing.
This would not be controversial if it wasn't for the hypocrisy of the practising homosexuals within the Vatican. They engage in gay sex, fall in love and have affairs with fellow priests and bishops. They then sit in judgement of others outside the church, denouncing sex outside marriage, ruling on women's reproductive rights and pronouncing homosexuality as an abomination and intrinsically disordered.
What do the "holier than thou" religious folk like wale64 and his ilk on this forum think about this?
Do you understand how such hypocrisy creates a strong negative perception of the church within the wider community.
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Post by argy on Jun 20, 2021 18:23:56 GMT -5
If one takes a serious and honest look at it, they would have to conclude that could not take their religion seriously. What? Your premise is all screwy. That's like saying if a traffic court judge gets a speeding ticket, then all speed limit laws are now rendered moot and no longer need to be taken seriously. Or asking how a democrat could remain part of the party after they found money in William J Jefferson's freezer, or remain part of the republican party due to the allegations that Matt Gaetz sex trafficked underage girls. Or, how can we remain Americans when the Constitution originally stated that black people are 3/5 of a person. Nobody who follows traffic laws, or is a member of a political party or citizen of a country premise their status on the personal behavior of some of the people in leadership positions. It just doesn't make sense. Using logic, I believe the logical fallacy is Tu QuoqueYes, if I were to stipulate that the OP was accurate, then yes it is embarrassing and can be weaponized by the enemies of the Church. But remember, they're not changing the moral teachings of the Church, even when they have their own struggles with those teachings. To me, that speaks much louder than the appeals to hypocrisy.
My prodding of Wale aside, I think the degree of active homosexuality in the Vatican is more than just embarrassing.
If the article is correct (and I have heard similar stories from different sources) the openness of their homosexual activity amongst themselves indicates the clergy are not struggling with their sexuality or its clash with the church's teachings. They are leading different private and public lives.
The problem is not with the homosexuality, but the duplicity and deceit.
There is obviously a huge incentive to keep it all in the closet; the risk of discovery would ruin lifelong careers. I imagine that opportunities for bribery, extortion and manipulation would be rife. In the church's initial response to child molestation was an indication of how the clergy's first instinct was self-protection rather than justice. Important decisions, including financial and dogmatic, could be manipulated behind the scenes.
One wonders how much the church's teachings on celibacy and female priests have been influenced by the desire to maintain an atmosphere where homosexuality can thrive or the fear of being found out.
The congregation really has a right to know how their priests, bishops and cardinals behave - especially in the Vatican - because secret homosexuality could undermine confidence in its authority.
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Post by Bogus0Pomp on Jun 20, 2021 18:29:55 GMT -5
Normal dedicated people and not dysfunctional deviant homosexuals. Which means that, if 80% of Vatican staff are practising homosexuals, you cannot trust them. Correct?
Yes. That is correct.
BTW, to all the forum readers, please do not mistake my failure to reply to forum post# 22884, as either acquiescing to, or acknowledging whatever "point" the trolling post's author thinks he/she made.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 18:55:22 GMT -5
Normal dedicated people and not dysfunctional deviant homosexuals.
Which means that, if 80% of Vatican staff are practising homosexuals, you cannot trust them. Correct?
1- There aren't 80% homosexuals in the Vatican 2- ANY of the homosexuals in the Church are untrustworthy as they live their lives in deceit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 18:57:42 GMT -5
Which means that, if 80% of Vatican staff are practising homosexuals, you cannot trust them. Correct?
Yes. That is correct.
BTW, to all the forum readers, please do not mistake my failure to reply to forum post# 22884, as either acquiescing to, or acknowledging whatever "point" the trolling post's author thinks he/she made.Anyone look at BUGGERPUMPED's picture? I mean the photo he decided to use was one where he looks unkempt and half baked! would YOU say that person in the pic is dealing with a full deck?
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Post by argy on Jun 20, 2021 22:54:27 GMT -5
Which means that, if 80% of Vatican staff are practising homosexuals, you cannot trust them. Correct?
1- There aren't 80% homosexuals in the Vatican
That's a baseless claim. Read the article. According to the priest who lived and worked there, 80% of the Vatican is homosexual.
Agreed.
And if the 80% is correct (as reported by the priest who lived and worked there and who had several homosexual affairs), then there is an 80% probability that the Pope is homosexual.
Are you prepared to say that the Pope is untrustworthy?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 23:35:03 GMT -5
1- There aren't 80% homosexuals in the Vatican
That's a baseless claim. Read the article. According to the priest who lived and worked there, 80% of the Vatican is homosexual.
Agreed.
And if the 80% is correct (as reported by the priest who lived and worked there and who had several homosexual affairs), then there is an 80% probability that the Pope is homosexual.
Are you prepared to say that the Pope is untrustworthy?
"The Priest"" who lived there? Surely if U had read it , you would have had his name!!
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Post by argy on Jun 20, 2021 23:53:53 GMT -5
That's a baseless claim. Read the article. According to the priest who lived and worked there, 80% of the Vatican is homosexual.
Agreed.
And if the 80% is correct (as reported by the priest who lived and worked there and who had several homosexual affairs), then there is an 80% probability that the Pope is homosexual.
Are you prepared to say that the Pope is untrustworthy?
"The Priest"" who lived there? Surely if U had read it , you would have had his name!!
Bloody hell! I wrote his name in the OP. It's Lepore. See the first word of the first sentence after the quote box.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 23:56:23 GMT -5
"The Priest"" who lived there? Surely if U had read it , you would have had his name!!
Bloody hell! I wrote his name in the OP. It's Lepore. See the first word of the first sentence after the quote box.
Did he bloody take a bloody census or bloody something like that?
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Post by argy on Jun 21, 2021 0:16:45 GMT -5
Bloody hell! I wrote his name in the OP. It's Lepore. See the first word of the first sentence after the quote box.
Did he bloody take a bloody census or bloody something like that?
His was f*cking the priests and bishops! Read the article.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 7:52:04 GMT -5
Did he bloody take a bloody census or bloody something like that?
His was f*cking the priests and bishops! Read the article.
Lets take your figure as correct. That doesn't have much impact anyway for even if the homosexuals try to "change the religion" they are bound by an already determined doctrine in the Scriptures and cannot deviate from that. If they DO they are in violation of their oaths and violation of the doctrine. even the Pope
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Post by burke on Jun 21, 2021 10:08:07 GMT -5
1- There aren't 80% homosexuals in the Vatican
That's a baseless claim. Read the article. According to the priest who lived and worked there, 80% of the Vatican is homosexual.
Agreed.
And if the 80% is correct (as reported by the priest who lived and worked there and who had several homosexual affairs), then there is an 80% probability that the Pope is homosexual.
Are you prepared to say that the Pope is untrustworthy?
Hi Argy,
Gee, if an alleged priest who worked in the Vatican made the claim it must be true. After all it has appeared on the internet the source of all truth. Seriously, give me a break! I know you like to stir the pot, but this goes beyond the pale. If you believe that I have a nice piece of property 200 km east of Melbourne, on the water, I will sell you cheap.
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Post by Bogus0Pomp on Jun 21, 2021 10:19:00 GMT -5
LOL What can I say? I take hair and grooming tips from Albert Einstein. (re: forum user 71's trolling post, forum post# 22930)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 13:17:00 GMT -5
LOL What can I say? I take hair and grooming tips from Albert Einstein. (re: forum user 71's trolling post, forum post# 22930) Yes but you are the opposite of Einstein he was STRAIGHT, you are the opposite He was brilliant, you are the opposite
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Post by argy on Jun 21, 2021 17:09:53 GMT -5
His was f*cking the priests and bishops! Read the article.
Lets take your figure as correct. That doesn't have much impact anyway for even if the homosexuals try to "change the religion" they are bound by an already determined doctrine in the Scriptures and cannot deviate from that. If they DO they are in violation of their oaths and violation of the doctrine. even the Pope
Well, let's face it. They are in violation of their oath of celibacy and their homosexual "activities".
As you said, they cannot be trusted.
If you found out the Pope was gay and had practised/ is practising homosexual sex, would you still homosexuals cannot be trusted?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 18:41:27 GMT -5
Lets take your figure as correct. That doesn't have much impact anyway for even if the homosexuals try to "change the religion" they are bound by an already determined doctrine in the Scriptures and cannot deviate from that. If they DO they are in violation of their oaths and violation of the doctrine. even the Pope
Well, let's face it. They are in violation of their oath of celibacy and their homosexual "activities".
As you said, they cannot be trusted.
If you found out the Pope was gay and had practised/ is practising homosexual sex, would you still homosexuals cannot be trusted?
If he Pope is homosexual, he would be in violation of the Doctrine
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