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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 11:07:22 GMT -5
2 Timothy 3:16 (RSV) 16 All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
However, one mistake MANY Christians make IS limiting themselves to ONLY the Bible, therefore, limiting their experience IN Christianity, as the BIBLE is NOT the SOLE source of revelations of truth from the Lord. The SOURCE of the WORD of God is the SPIRIT, Jesus As the SPIRIT, Jesus HIMSELF, who manifests TRUTH to others.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 16:09:12 GMT -5
Umm, a sub group is a different faith, those that are Catholic do not have the same beliefs as Protestants and Protestants have created hundreds of faiths. The commonality with all is accepting the Trinity but that doesn't mean all Protestants have the same tenets in their faith or we'd probably all be Lutherans. However, since you checked out wiki did you not get a clue on how many Protestant faiths there are with severely different beliefs? What do you think of Mormons, Jehovahs, Scientology or maybe it is the Assembly of God or Penecostal, laying on of hands and curing disease, like cancer, blindness which many Christians see that as baloney, including me. I look at much of the Evangelical world as a money maker. Christ didn't require that you live in a multi million dollar house and drive a Mercedes and solicit the poor for money to get so called healed. That is not God like, not Christian and not what Christ was about, it's a disgusting ploy for money. You are IGNORANTLY stubborn. That you use loose terms reveals that. There is ONE faith, many DENOMINATIONS! ANY Christian denomination that has as it's core the basic tenets are indeed Christian and equal, whether a denomination of Protestantism or Catholic, Orthodox etc. So YOU get to decide if something is legitimate or not by YOUR ACCEPTANCE or REJECTION? how ARROGANT and lacking a deeper understanding! Mormons are NOT Christians as they Reject the divinity of Christ. Scientology? NO. Assembly of God and Pentecostal ARE Christians. Are there frauds WITHIN legitimate denominations, yes! WRITING in Umm reveals a lack of writing skill.
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Post by katie5445 on Apr 6, 2020 18:11:40 GMT -5
No I am not, that would be you. Okay lets take Assembly of God or Penecostal, what are their practices, laying on hands and speaking in tongues. Neither I see as "Christian." When someone practices laying on hands and taking in billions of dollars a year, saying this will cure cancer, this will make your paralysed legs walk again or the blind see again, I cannot call that Christian. Those "Christians" that refuse and for their kids, blood transfusions or antibiotics to prevent their death, those who think God causes cancer, hurricanes and if you like one stupid women who says she won't get the virus going to church cause she is dripping in Jesus blood, that is not Christian, those entertainers, sports persons, etc. who think God made them famous or why they won the basketball game, those are cults. What God and Jesus do, #1 give you faith, give you hope and lead you to do the right thing if you believe. He didn't cause that car wreck so you could be an angel beside Him. As far as fraud in any religion, it is overwhelming as I have read there are 300 major ecclesiastical Christian traditions with up to 33,000 distinct denominations, picking on the Mormons is not even close to what some of those denominations believe in and call it "Christianity." If they aren't, they should be paying taxes! On a lighter note, haven't you noticed that Mormons and many denominations that many think are weird, they think the other denominations are weird and wrong. We can look back on The Reformation with the fight that went on forever between Catholics and Protestant, we don't draw, quarter them and hang their head on a spike we also notice people still die over religion and their faith. My denomination, I don't mine sharing is Episcopal an accepted faith in Christianity yet the number of times I've been told off for my beliefs, which I follow by what I was taught in that accepted faith and I constantly get pitched shit by the right that I'm not Christian and haven't a clue what I'm talking about. I see that right there as a big issue for the person who is telling ME off, it makes me think they are the ones that do not know God or Jesus or belong to a cultish faith, that lies and lies for money, like tele evangelicals or those who draw millions every year into convention centers and arenas.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 22:26:28 GMT -5
No I am not, that would be you. Okay lets take Assembly of God or Penecostal, what are their practices, laying on hands and speaking in tongues. Neither I see as "Christian." When someone practices laying on hands and taking in billions of dollars a year, saying this will cure cancer, this will make your paralysed legs walk again or the blind see again, I cannot call that Christian. Those "Christians" that refuse and for their kids, blood transfusions or antibiotics to prevent their death, those who think God causes cancer, hurricanes and if you like one stupid women who says she won't get the virus going to church cause she is dripping in Jesus blood, that is not Christian, those entertainers, sports persons, etc. who think God made them famous or why they won the basketball game, those are cults. What God and Jesus do, #1 give you faith, give you hope and lead you to do the right thing if you believe. He didn't cause that car wreck so you could be an angel beside Him. As far as fraud in any religion, it is overwhelming as I have read there are 300 major ecclesiastical Christian traditions with up to 33,000 distinct denominations, picking on the Mormons is not even close to what some of those denominations believe in and call it "Christianity." If they aren't, they should be paying taxes! On a lighter note, haven't you noticed that Mormons and many denominations that many think are weird, they think the other denominations are weird and wrong. We can look back on The Reformation with the fight that went on forever between Catholics and Protestant, we don't draw, quarter them and hang their head on a spike we also notice people still die over religion and their faith. My denomination, I don't mine sharing is Episcopal an accepted faith in Christianity yet the number of times I've been told off for my beliefs, which I follow by what I was taught in that accepted faith and I constantly get pitched shit by the right that I'm not Christian and haven't a clue what I'm talking about. I see that right there as a big issue for the person who is telling ME off, it makes me think they are the ones that do not know God or Jesus or belong to a cultish faith, that lies and lies for money, like tele evangelicals or those who draw millions every year into convention centers and arenas. Christianity is NOT defined by what YOU see. What many, including SOME Christians, confuse is that A CHRISTIAN is NOT defined by DESIRES . Being Christian is a state which is defined by the New Testament (John 1:1-6, Book of ROMANS for example).The ACCEPTANCE of the ONENESS of JESUS and the Father IS the central point on which this doctrine rests.People are free to accept or reject the Christian faith and doctrine, BUT the DEFINITION is printed and not defined by desires. what YOU describe is just off the wall! MORMONS are NOT Christians. ANY denomination not fitting the description and making up their own, contrary to the doctrine, is in contradiction to it and NOT a member of what they profess. One cannot eat meat everyday and claim to be a vegetarian. They can CLAIM it but by "doctrine"/definition they are not. They teach that Jesus and Satan were Brothers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 22:27:41 GMT -5
No I am not, that would be you. Okay lets take Assembly of God or Penecostal, what are their practices, laying on hands and speaking in tongues. Neither I see as "Christian." When someone practices laying on hands and taking in billions of dollars a year, saying this will cure cancer, this will make your paralysed legs walk again or the blind see again, I cannot call that Christian. Those "Christians" that refuse and for their kids, blood transfusions or antibiotics to prevent their death, those who think God causes cancer, hurricanes and if you like one stupid women who says she won't get the virus going to church cause she is dripping in Jesus blood, that is not Christian, those entertainers, sports persons, etc. who think God made them famous or why they won the basketball game, those are cults. What God and Jesus do, #1 give you faith, give you hope and lead you to do the right thing if you believe. He didn't cause that car wreck so you could be an angel beside Him. As far as fraud in any religion, it is overwhelming as I have read there are 300 major ecclesiastical Christian traditions with up to 33,000 distinct denominations, picking on the Mormons is not even close to what some of those denominations believe in and call it "Christianity." If they aren't, they should be paying taxes! On a lighter note, haven't you noticed that Mormons and many denominations that many think are weird, they think the other denominations are weird and wrong. We can look back on The Reformation with the fight that went on forever between Catholics and Protestant, we don't draw, quarter them and hang their head on a spike we also notice people still die over religion and their faith. My denomination, I don't mine sharing is Episcopal an accepted faith in Christianity yet the number of times I've been told off for my beliefs, which I follow by what I was taught in that accepted faith and I constantly get pitched shit by the right that I'm not Christian and haven't a clue what I'm talking about. I see that right there as a big issue for the person who is telling ME off, it makes me think they are the ones that do not know God or Jesus or belong to a cultish faith, that lies and lies for money, like tele evangelicals or those who draw millions every year into convention centers and arenas. Where EXACTLY did you get the idea that anyone can just define Christianity for themselves? What Source?
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Post by katie5445 on Apr 7, 2020 3:33:31 GMT -5
It appears to me you are trying to define it. I'm making no call say for example on Mormon's as being non Christians. Do I think it weird, hell yes. On the other hand my next door is an 84 y.o. Mormon who has a year of food stocked in her garage and she'll take us in if there is a disaster, that works for me for me, it is Christian. She is also a cheater in her faith, she likes a glass of wine and gambling. I never said anyone could define it, that is what you are doing and what is my problem with your adamancy who is a Christian and who is not. You need a "source" well it won't be me, it will be Christians or so called Christians in the millions calling you out. I really don't care anyway. The thing I most love about being a Christian which others who hold true Christian values, it is about your personal relationship with God and not about Wales and justifying Christianity and especially to a person who does not embrace Christ's morals, which He didn't require defining to your standards.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 10:38:46 GMT -5
It appears to me you are trying to define it. I'm making no call say for example on Mormon's as being non Christians. Do I think it weird, hell yes. On the other hand my next door is an 84 y.o. Mormon who has a year of food stocked in her garage and she'll take us in if there is a disaster, that works for me for me, it is Christian. She is also a cheater in her faith, she likes a glass of wine and gambling. I never said anyone could define it, that is what you are doing and what is my problem with your adamancy who is a Christian and who is not. You need a "source" well it won't be me, it will be Christians or so called Christians in the millions calling you out. I really don't care anyway. The thing I most love about being a Christian which others who hold true Christian values, it is about your personal relationship with God and not about Wales and justifying Christianity and especially to a person who does not embrace Christ's morals, which He didn't require defining to your standards. Well you are sidestepping AGAIN. YOU don't get to define, or REDEFINE, what has already been defined at the beginning with the DEFINITION and CONDITIONS contained in the New Testament. MORMONS do NOT meet those conditions so, by an OBJECTIVE measure, NOT MINE, it is simple to say MORMONS are NOT Christians. SO, ONCE AGAIN, Where EXACTLY did you get the idea that anyone can just define Christianity for themselves? What Source? It's a straightforward question. How about a straightforward ANSWER for a change from YOU?
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Post by katie5445 on Apr 9, 2020 22:42:02 GMT -5
I do not have the idea that persons can define "Christianity" my problem is people defining it due to so many faiths and you can believe in God/Christ and go to another place that others object to or embrace. I enjoy my faith because it's easy, which is easy because so was Christ. He didn't require all that much from His followers. Acceptance was we were all made in the image of God, acceptance is being non judgemental towards others, having faith, hope in the Lord and charity and forgiveness for others. All the rest, is nothing and unimportant to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 8:39:47 GMT -5
I do not have the idea that persons can define "Christianity" my problem is people defining it due to so many faiths and you can believe in God/Christ and go to another place that others object to or embrace. I enjoy my faith because it's easy, which is easy because so was Christ. He didn't require all that much from His followers. Acceptance was we were all made in the image of God, acceptance is being non judgemental towards others, having faith, hope in the Lord and charity and forgiveness for others. All the rest, is nothing and unimportant to me. 1- YOU repeat your insistence in the errors with the 'many faiths" thing.ONE Doctrine, many denominations. 2- NO you CAN'T believe in God/ Christ and go to another place...hello! 3- ONE central definition of Christianity contained in the New Testament. Not bound by imposing of the desires of others. 4- Acceptance is NOT that we were made in the image of God. that is just a statement of FACT, not a condition. ACCEPTANCE comes from the individual. 5- The non judgmental thing is just childish as Christianity is VERY judgmental: do not participate in certain behaviors, gather amongst certain types of people, reject other beliefs etc.- VERY judgmental 6- the REST you say is unimportant for you are the foundational tenets of Christianity. YOU don't get to make up your OWN version(s) of Christianity as you've done here once again. Just a repetition of your previous errors!
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Post by katie5445 on Apr 12, 2020 18:03:57 GMT -5
Christianity is very judgmental but yet not from Christ, just as we are celebrating this Easter day, that should be remembered. I agree we all were made in God's image and that is inclusive to ALL. The New Testament, yes I do have issues, written decades after Christ died by hundreds of men over hundreds of years. That and when I read about hundreds of Christian faiths who claim to be the true faith, is a problem, especially considering the Reformation happened because other than religious leaders, royalty and nobility were not allowed to read the Bible on their own. "One doctrine" the issue with certain religions/faiths is the Trinity, like Jehovahs and Mormons but hundreds of Christian faiths all practice different and have serious different beliefs in our role of practicing Christianity. I see that as a huge issue and yet they all claim to be 'right.'
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Post by katie5445 on Apr 12, 2020 18:26:14 GMT -5
If I am "sidestepping" do you believe in laying on of hands, do you believe like a lady I saw interviewed on tv going to church, she will not get the virus cause she is dripping in "Jesus blood" that is a religious leader who is a phony.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 21:09:02 GMT -5
Christianity is very judgmental but yet not from Christ, just as we are celebrating this Easter day, that should be remembered. I agree we all were made in God's image and that is inclusive to ALL. The New Testament, yes I do have issues, written decades after Christ died by hundreds of men over hundreds of years. That and when I read about hundreds of Christian faiths who claim to be the true faith, is a problem, especially considering the Reformation happened because other than religious leaders, royalty and nobility were not allowed to read the Bible on their own. "One doctrine" the issue with certain religions/faiths is the Trinity, like Jehovahs and Mormons but hundreds of Christian faiths all practice different and have serious different beliefs in our role of practicing Christianity. I see that as a huge issue and yet they all claim to be 'right.' 1- when you question the authenticity of the SCRIPTUREs you ARE then really questioning Christianity to its core, in a negative way! Your revealed take shows a superficial understanding! 2- There AREN'T hundreds of "faiths" ONE DOCTRINE, many denominations. 3- Jehovah's witnesses and Mormons are not Christians because they reject the major lynchpin that ALL Christianity rests on, the Divinity of Jesus. 4- Until you open up and examine objectively, unemotionally and with a receptive mind, you'll continue to repeat these mistakes.
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Post by katie5445 on Apr 15, 2020 20:15:58 GMT -5
You only have had the ability to name two groups, there are dozens if not hundreds of those demoninations that pay no taxes, that are classed as a religious faith. For me and we all have an opinion, believing in the Trinity is not enough, once you state you can make people walk again, the blind see, cancer will be gone and I'm "dripping in Jesus blood" and I cant get or pass a disease is not Christian, it's insane, belief in the Trinity or not, which by the way I do. Do I get for Christians getting values of everyday World, yeah, it is difficult, sex before marriage, living together, divorce, birth control, abortion all question Christianity, depending of course on your faith, mine did not, nor did it approve. At the end of the day these will never be some persons religious or moral values but it does open a discussion of Christianity and judgement, tolerance and forgiveness if nothing else, that is what being a Christian is about. All I can say, is when I pray, I ask for all of this along with hope and faith. What I have noticed over decades of ill and dying patients, God gives hope and the faithful don't lose it till their last dying breath, it has been the most miracoulus of anything I ever witnessed in the dying.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 21:46:18 GMT -5
You only have had the ability to name two groups, there are dozens if not hundreds of those demoninations that pay no taxes, that are classed as a religious faith. For me and we all have an opinion, believing in the Trinity is not enough, once you state you can make people walk again, the blind see, cancer will be gone and I'm "dripping in Jesus blood" and I cant get or pass a disease is not Christian, it's insane, belief in the Trinity or not, which by the way I do. Do I get for Christians getting values of everyday World, yeah, it is difficult, sex before marriage, living together, divorce, birth control, abortion all question Christianity, depending of course on your faith, mine did not, nor did it approve. At the end of the day these will never be some persons religious or moral values but it does open a discussion of Christianity and judgement, tolerance and forgiveness if nothing else, that is what being a Christian is about. All I can say, is when I pray, I ask for all of this along with hope and faith. What I have noticed over decades of ill and dying patients, God gives hope and the faithful don't lose it till their last dying breath, it has been the most miracoulus of anything I ever witnessed in the dying. ALL that gibberish. Christianity is defined by the New Testament , PERIOD! there is NO discussion. either one ALIGNS with that contained in the NT or they DONT. IF they don't, or distort what is in there they aren't Christians. PERIOD. what escapes you?
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Post by katie5445 on Apr 15, 2020 22:20:49 GMT -5
It doesn't escape me with thousands of beliefs, what escapes me your belief that one believes in the NT automatically makes all so called Christians under one umbrella. It isn't even close to what is true. I have a problem with the number of Christian faiths in Protestants, hundreds or thousands cannot all be right with serious beliefs the other does not share. At least that is the one thing over a billion Catholics have, one faith. I have no clue why you put a "period" after it, if you checked out so many of these faiths, you just might have serious questions as well, I'm actually surprised you don't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 2:05:58 GMT -5
It doesn't escape me with thousands of beliefs, what escapes me your belief that one believes in the NT automatically makes all so called Christians under one umbrella. It isn't even close to what is true. I have a problem with the number of Christian faiths in Protestants, hundreds or thousands cannot all be right with serious beliefs the other does not share. At least that is the one thing over a billion Catholics have, one faith. I have no clue why you put a "period" after it, if you checked out so many of these faiths, you just might have serious questions as well, I'm actually surprised you don't. The NT IS what defines Christians and Christianity. what escapes you? There aren't hundreds of "faiths" . There is ONE Christian Faith and MANY denominations. Why do insist on the repetition of YOUR errors? By your own content you reveal you really aren't versed in this topic and yet continue to opine incorrectly!
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