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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 11:07:22 GMT -5
2 Timothy 3:16 (RSV) 16 All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
However, one mistake MANY Christians make IS limiting themselves to ONLY the Bible, therefore, limiting their experience IN Christianity, as the BIBLE is NOT the SOLE source of revelations of truth from the Lord. The SOURCE of the WORD of God is the SPIRIT, Jesus As the SPIRIT, Jesus HIMSELF, who manifests TRUTH to others.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 16:44:09 GMT -5
That's an example of circulus in probando, or circular reasoning. As such, it proves nothing. 1- It proves you aren't versed in the topic 2- It proves a tenet on which Christianity is based.
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Post by Bogus0Pomp on Mar 14, 2020 18:46:48 GMT -5
Circular Reasoning:
The bible is the word of God. How do you know that the bible is the word of God? Because the Bible says that it is the word of God.
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Post by katie5445 on Mar 14, 2020 19:21:45 GMT -5
As a person who does believe in God, I don't know how that can possibly be accepted, not after 600 hundred years and 600 men writing it, I would say they obviously had a motive. Religious leaders constantly say they are the middle man between you and God, I think that is false, hundreds of years ago when there was the Reformation, till now with some right wing nut very famous, very popular pastors, saying they can cure the coronavirus. Christian religion/faith has taken a nose dive over decades now and that is due to hundreds of faiths, supporting conspiracy theories, claiming to heal or send to "hell," and having multi million dollar homes, Bentley's and private jets.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 23:02:08 GMT -5
As a person who does believe in God, I don't know how that can possibly be accepted, not after 600 hundred years and 600 men writing it, I would say they obviously had a motive. Religious leaders constantly say they are the middle man between you and God, I think that is false, hundreds of years ago when there was the Reformation, till now with some right wing nut very famous, very popular pastors, saying they can cure the coronavirus. Christian religion/faith has taken a nose dive over decades now and that is due to hundreds of faiths, supporting conspiracy theories, claiming to heal or send to "hell," and having multi million dollar homes, Bentley's and private jets. The Bible has proven itself to be genuine and opposite of what you THINK it to be, incorrectly!
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Post by katie5445 on Mar 16, 2020 21:36:23 GMT -5
No it is not God's word, it is the word of hundreds of men through hundreds of years, who held that Bible over Christians head for 1400 plus years without them reading a word, hence the Reformation and a huge change in Christian beliefs because they lied and a lot. We don't have a Christian religion we have hundreds of Christian so called faiths who interpret words whatever way they want to that suits them. I can't dismiss the Old Testament, Christ was born a Jew and died a Jew. You are TOTALLY INCORRECT and TOTALLY ignorant as you base your conclusions on erroneous ASSUMPTIONS. Your words reveal a DEEP IGNORANCE about the topic and YOU need to do remedial work to familiarize yourself and be educated about the topic.
2 Timothy 3:16 (RSV) 16 All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
It would only be "erroneous" if all Christians belonged to the same faith instead of having hundreds of faiths in the same religion but they don't. Hundreds, pick and choose, what are you, do you belong to LDS, Jehovahs, maybe Penecostal or Assembly of God, talk in tongues, or believe in laying on of hands, are you Catholic, Southern Baptist, Lutheran, Greek Orthodox,Presperterian or maybe worship snakes or the several other hundred who swear on the Bible of being the true faith? Tucker Carlson and I are of the same faith, he has no clue why, I do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 9:35:12 GMT -5
You are TOTALLY INCORRECT and TOTALLY ignorant as you base your conclusions on erroneous ASSUMPTIONS. Your words reveal a DEEP IGNORANCE about the topic and YOU need to do remedial work to familiarize yourself and be educated about the topic.
2 Timothy 3:16 (RSV) 16 All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
It would only be "erroneous" if all Christians belonged to the same faith instead of having hundreds of faiths in the same religion but they don't. Hundreds, pick and choose, what are you, do you belong to LDS, Jehovahs, maybe Penecostal or Assembly of God, talk in tongues, or believe in laying on of hands, are you Catholic, Southern Baptist, Lutheran, Greek Orthodox,Presperterian or maybe worship snakes or the several other hundred who swear on the Bible of being the true faith? Tucker Carlson and I are of the same faith, he has no clue why, I do. YOU are VERY ill informed AND VERY IGNORANT as the content of YOUR words REVEAL. There is ONLY ONE Christian FAITH but many denominations. SOME who CLAIM to be Christians really are NOT because they have denied or altered the Doctrine to suit THEIR own purposes. Jehovah's Witness and Mormons are TWO of those who fall in that category and are NOT Christians. What many, including SOME Christians, confuse is that A CHRISTIAN is NOT defined by one's OWN desires OR the DESIRES of other Christians. Being Christian is a state which is defined by the New Testament (John 1:1-6, Book of ROMANS for example).The ACCEPTANCE of the ONENESS of JESUS and the Father IS the central point on which this doctrine rests. Denial of Jesus divinity is a rejection of CHRISTIANITY. People are free to accept or reject the Christian faith and doctrine, BUT the DEFINITION is printed and not defined by the desires of humans. For example, if Mother Theresa lived her life exactly as she did, BUT did not accept the oneness of the Father and Jesus, NO Matter what her opinion was, according to the New Testament, she would not have been a Christian ( hypothetically speaking). It is important we understand that we adjust ourselves to the definition contained in the New Testament as Christians, NOT the other way around. ANY denomination not fitting the description and making up their own, contrary to the doctrine, is in contradiction to it and NOT a member of what they profess. One cannot eat meat everyday and claim to be a vegetarian. ONE cannot CLAIM to be a Christian all the while rejecting the doctrine and tenets which COMPRISE that doctrine. They can CLAIM it but by "doctrine"/definition they are not. No one made ME the judge. It is established and written out in the independent source called the New Testament specifically
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Post by katie5445 on Mar 20, 2020 1:09:46 GMT -5
So out of hundreds of faiths in the Christian religion what are you telling me, yours is the right faith? Mormons and Jehovah's are only the beginning of what you disapprove, if you want to go down that road, maybe everyone as they did for centuries should be Catholics or maybe Christ was born a Jew, died a Jew and the whole thing is nothing HE intended at all. It isn't that I don't have a "problem" with many faiths, obviously I do, I'm Episcopalian, quiet, non judgemental, tolerant, accepting of all God's children who were created in his image. I don't know anyone who claims to be a vegetarian and eats meat everyday, although I know lapsed veggies as I do lapsed Christians. You obviously have made yourself the judge and one is a so called Christian if they accept the Trinity, that would be Mother Teresa and all Christians, if not you aren't a Christian, it's the basic ideology to accept the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I don't know who think you think you are in the realm of Christian faith but I find it no matter what your faith is, unacceptable to what is Christianity, you are a really a nasty piece of work, who I don't come close to recognizing as a Christian and if I were you I would read the Sermon on the Mount/Plains and the Beatitudes and repeat them over and over, till you get it! You really are a lost soul and haven't accepted Christ as your savior.
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Post by katie5445 on Mar 20, 2020 1:12:30 GMT -5
You haven't learned, Christ requires less of you than what you think and by your words, far more than what you practice/believe!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 17:48:46 GMT -5
So out of hundreds of faiths in the Christian religion what are you telling me, yours is the right faith? Mormons and Jehovah's are only the beginning of what you disapprove, if you want to go down that road, maybe everyone as they did for centuries should be Catholics or maybe Christ was born a Jew, died a Jew and the whole thing is nothing HE intended at all. It isn't that I don't have a "problem" with many faiths, obviously I do, I'm Episcopalian, quiet, non judgemental, tolerant, accepting of all God's children who were created in his image. I don't know anyone who claims to be a vegetarian and eats meat everyday, although I know lapsed veggies as I do lapsed Christians. You obviously have made yourself the judge and one is a so called Christian if they accept the Trinity, that would be Mother Teresa and all Christians, if not you aren't a Christian, it's the basic ideology to accept the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I don't know who think you think you are in the realm of Christian faith but I find it no matter what your faith is, unacceptable to what is Christianity, you are a really a nasty piece of work, who I don't come close to recognizing as a Christian and if I were you I would read the Sermon on the Mount/Plains and the Beatitudes and repeat them over and over, till you get it! You really are a lost soul and haven't accepted Christ as your savior. No AND RIGHT HERE you display IGNORANCE about Christianity itself. There aren't 'hundreds" of Christian faiths, there is only ONE faith and MANY denominations. By the lynchpin of the Christian Doctrine, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons have distorted that lynchpin and those tenets contained in the pages of the New Testament. Jehovah's Witnesses DENY the divinity of Jesus and have distorted the wording in the Bible. Mormons also deny Jesus divinity and Oneness with the father. What many, including SOME Christians, confuse is that A CHRISTIAN is NOT defined by the DESIRES of other Christians. Being Christian is a state which is defined by the New Testament (John 1:1-6, Book of ROMANS for example).The ACCEPTANCE of the ONENESS of JESUS and the Father IS the central point on which this doctrine rests. People are free to accept or reject the Christian faith and doctrine, BUT the DEFINITION is printed and not defined by the desires of humans. Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT Christians because in order to be a Christian, one MUST accept that Jesus and God (The Creator) were one and the same. Jehovah's witnesses believe Jesus and God are separate. Proof of the doctrine?:Read John 1:1-16 and the book of Romans written by Paul (all in the New Testament). You don't have to believe me. Look it up for yourself. Again, no one made ME the judge. The DOCTRINE is established and written out. Sorry, but ANY denomination not fitting the description and making up their own, contrary to the doctrine, is in contradiction to it and NOT a member of what they profess. YOU SHOULD really open the pages of the Bible and really read thoroughly and not superficially as is apparent!
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Post by katie5445 on Mar 23, 2020 20:58:03 GMT -5
What there is in Christianity, one religion and many faiths, faith and religion are two different things, Mr. Expert. I have read the Bible twice, thanks. You can find people who talk in tongues, you can find laying on of hands cures those who can't walk and cancer. You can find those against medical treatment, alienate their family, get bitten by snakes, marry far to many persons, practice incest, then there are religious cults that are accepted as a Christian religion, Scientologists. Those in the Reformation, ditched the Madonna worship, the confessional box and saints, allowed the Bible to be read by all, a faith that had been practiced for around 1400 years, called Catholic run by Popes, Cardinals and Bishops, the wealthy. Out of the persons I met who follow Christianity there are those who always think as you, your faith is the only acceptable faith and only you have the low down. I don't know what your faith is but I reject it, you are judgmental, intolerant and for me, everything what Christianity is not about. If you want to speak of the "spirit" of God/Jesus they do not represent your words, not even close, unless I missed in my reading the huge bits of hate for your fellow man you present.......
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 23:44:31 GMT -5
What there is in Christianity, one religion and many faiths, faith and religion are two different things, Mr. Expert. I have read the Bible twice, thanks. You can find people who talk in tongues, you can find laying on of hands cures those who can't walk and cancer. You can find those against medical treatment, alienate their family, get bitten by snakes, marry far to many persons, practice incest, then there are religious cults that are accepted as a Christian religion, Scientologists. Those in the Reformation, ditched the Madonna worship, the confessional box and saints, allowed the Bible to be read by all, a faith that had been practiced for around 1400 years, called Catholic run by Popes, Cardinals and Bishops, the wealthy. Out of the persons I met who follow Christianity there are those who always think as you, your faith is the only acceptable faith and only you have the low down. I don't know what your faith is but I reject it, you are judgmental, intolerant and for me, everything what Christianity is not about. If you want to speak of the "spirit" of God/Jesus they do not represent your words, not even close, unless I missed in my reading the huge bits of hate for your fellow man you present....... Once again, there aren't MANY faiths in one religion and you continually display IGNORANCE as if you know something when you aren't knowledgeable. the CULTS are NOT accepted as CHRISTIAN because they do not align with the DOCTRINE. Having looked at the Bible TWICE doesn't mean you drank in the content. A superficial read is JUST that and you did that TWICE. ANOTHER mistake you continually make, it is NOT MY faith. YOU have a problem with what the BIVBLE ACTUALLY says and lash out childishly as you continually do. CHRISTIANITY is actually VERY INTOLERNAT of MANY things and LISTS those items throughout. If you had actually absorbed what you said you READ TWICE, then you wouldn't be posting these juvenile thoughts as you continually do. I don't define normal, or right and wrong. HE who created and designed the universe defines right and wrong. Christianity IS an intolerant religion, to the surprise of many as it lists behaviors to accept and to reject. MANY, including some who profess to be Christians, are confused as to what exactly is the doctrine of Christianity. Many feel they can craft there own definition of it because they don't like parts of the doctrine or the entire doctrine. like YOU.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 10:48:40 GMT -5
chrisiasnity, that is organized christianit took shape over 300 years after jesus s death, the council of nicea, incorporated its canons, its gospels etc. the kjv descvends from the council. in fact jesus nor his disciples were christians but gnostic jews led by james. to learn about jesus, one must ingest the ot, jerry
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 10:50:45 GMT -5
i often wonder about the reams of knowledge lost , when the nicean council encapsulated what christianity was, and wasnt. jerry
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 11:18:39 GMT -5
chrisiasnity, that is organized christianit took shape over 300 years after jesus s death, the council of nicea, incorporated its canons, its gospels etc. the kjv descvends from the council. in fact jesus nor his disciples were christians but gnostic jews led by james. to learn about jesus, one must ingest the ot, jerry Sorry but the gnostics weren't Christian as they foisted many heresies. They rejected the divinity of Jesus and that is a foundational basis for Christianity.
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Post by katie5445 on Mar 26, 2020 21:57:00 GMT -5
What there is in Christianity, one religion and many faiths, faith and religion are two different things, Mr. Expert. I have read the Bible twice, thanks. You can find people who talk in tongues, you can find laying on of hands cures those who can't walk and cancer. You can find those against medical treatment, alienate their family, get bitten by snakes, marry far to many persons, practice incest, then there are religious cults that are accepted as a Christian religion, Scientologists. Those in the Reformation, ditched the Madonna worship, the confessional box and saints, allowed the Bible to be read by all, a faith that had been practiced for around 1400 years, called Catholic run by Popes, Cardinals and Bishops, the wealthy. Out of the persons I met who follow Christianity there are those who always think as you, your faith is the only acceptable faith and only you have the low down. I don't know what your faith is but I reject it, you are judgmental, intolerant and for me, everything what Christianity is not about. If you want to speak of the "spirit" of God/Jesus they do not represent your words, not even close, unless I missed in my reading the huge bits of hate for your fellow man you present....... Once again, there aren't MANY faiths in one religion and you continually display IGNORANCE as if you know something when you aren't knowledgeable. the CULTS are NOT accepted as CHRISTIAN because they do not align with the DOCTRINE. Having looked at the Bible TWICE doesn't mean you drank in the content. A superficial read is JUST that and you did that TWICE. ANOTHER mistake you continually make, it is NOT MY faith. YOU have a problem with what the BIVBLE ACTUALLY says and lash out childishly as you continually do. CHRISTIANITY is actually VERY INTOLERNAT of MANY things and LISTS those items throughout. If you had actually absorbed what you said you READ TWICE, then you wouldn't be posting these juvenile thoughts as you continually do. I don't define normal, or right and wrong. HE who created and designed the universe defines right and wrong. Christianity IS an intolerant religion, to the surprise of many as it lists behaviors to accept and to reject. MANY, including some who profess to be Christians, are confused as to what exactly is the doctrine of Christianity. Many feel they can craft there own definition of it because they don't like parts of the doctrine or the entire doctrine. like YOU.
That is all meaningless because it is your faith. You can't insist I don't take part in the "doctrine" when there are hundreds of other Christian faiths that in both our eyes do not and vice versa. How am I "juvenile" recognizing the fact there are hundreds of Christians faiths? How do you recognize that all those hundreds upon hundreds call themselves the true Christian faith and sincerely believe it? That you think Christianity is an "intolerant" religion, is something I can't accept, unless we look at times before the Reformation. I accept the Lord knows, I'll screw up and I also realize His forgiveness for excepting it, that is why no matter what your faith is, their is forgiveness. You make it harder than it is and yet you don't really play by the rules of Christianity, which who is Christ, what did He do on this earth, that is a huge clue as is how He died and who He was. That in my eyes has been completely denied by some tight ass so called Christians.
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