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Post by oldarmybear on Jan 23, 2020 19:26:31 GMT -5
The Federalist Papers are a collection of articles written by three of our founding fathers in support of the new Constitution of the United States. This kink goe to wiki for an expanded article with links to each of those papers. Follow this link to Wiki and the the links to each of the 85 Federalist Papers. Enjoy, read and learn... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Federalist_Papers
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 16:48:18 GMT -5
Just because something EXISTS, doesn't make it right or legitimate. On YOUR stated basis then, are YOU going to say RAPE, MURDER, PEDOPHILIA, INXCEST etc are legitimate and right, simply because THEY EXIST? Huh? That's absurd. The OP didn't claim any crime was righteous "....simply because they exit". HER statement says that homosexuals exist, therefore, they are legitimate. The counter was made that simply EXISTING doesn't make something legitimate OR correct, such as the list given (and others).
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Post by tubaornottuba on Jan 29, 2020 23:07:08 GMT -5
Huh? That's absurd. The OP didn't claim any crime was righteous "....simply because they exit". HER statement says that homosexuals exist, therefore, they are legitimate. The counter was made that simply EXISTING doesn't make something legitimate OR correct, such as the list given (and others). If a LGBTQ person is a citizen of the United States he or she is legitimately entitled to all to all the birth-rights of American citizenship. You homophobic Bible-thumpers don't have the authority to delegitimize citizens just because the gender of their romantic and sexual partners makes you snowflakes feel icky. Tough nuggies, Sparky. P.S. There is no logical comparison between the crimes you listed -- almost always committed by straights, eh? -- and either sexual-orientation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 23:18:29 GMT -5
HER statement says that homosexuals exist, therefore, they are legitimate. The counter was made that simply EXISTING doesn't make something legitimate OR correct, such as the list given (and others). If a LGBTQ person is a citizen of the United States he or she is legitimately entitled to all to all the birth-rights of American citizenship. You homophobic Bible-thumpers don't have the authority to delegitimize citizens just because the gender of their romantic and sexual partners makes you snowflakes feel icky. Tough nuggies, Sparky. P.S. There is no logical comparison between the crimes you listed -- almost always committed by straights, eh? -- and either sexual-orientation. Homosexuality exists but not as a normal condition and they want society to validate their deviant behavior and negative lifestyle by twisting such social institutions as marriage around and redefining it to conform to a departure from the normal standards. They also want EXTRA rights as they fit every category already but want society to put their stamp of approval on them. HOMOSEXUAL is not an equal but separate category. Rather it is a distinction included in dysfunctions and disorders.
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Post by tubaornottuba on Jan 30, 2020 12:20:27 GMT -5
If a LGBTQ person is a citizen of the United States he or she is legitimately entitled to all to all the birth-rights of American citizenship. You homophobic Bible-thumpers don't have the authority to delegitimize citizens just because the gender of their romantic and sexual partners makes you snowflakes feel icky. Tough nuggies, Sparky. P.S. There is no logical comparison between the crimes you listed -- almost always committed by straights, eh? -- and either sexual-orientation. Homosexuality exists but not as a normal condition and they want society to validate their deviant behavior and negative lifestyle by twisting such social institutions as marriage around and redefining it to conform to a departure from the normal standards. They also want EXTRA rights as they fit every category already but want society to put their stamp of approval on them. HOMOSEXUAL is not an equal but separate category. Rather it is a distinction included in dysfunctions and disorders. Tut, tut Sparky. Off topic (and the "topic that must not be spoken"). Back on topic: the "Federalist Papers" do not make a case for a weak federal government -- just the opposite.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 16:06:48 GMT -5
Homosexuality exists but not as a normal condition and they want society to validate their deviant behavior and negative lifestyle by twisting such social institutions as marriage around and redefining it to conform to a departure from the normal standards. They also want EXTRA rights as they fit every category already but want society to put their stamp of approval on them. HOMOSEXUAL is not an equal but separate category. Rather it is a distinction included in dysfunctions and disorders. Tut, tut Sparky. Off topic (and the "topic that shall not be spoken"). In any case, the "Federalist Papers" do not make a case for a weak federal government -- just the opposite. Neither, it makes the case for Constitutional government as the articles of confederation didn't work.
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Post by katie5445 on Jan 30, 2020 20:37:09 GMT -5
What is especially sad is those who deny what does exist. Just because something EXISTS, doesn't make it right or legitimate. On YOUR stated basis then, are YOU going to say RAPE, MURDER, PEDOPHILIA, INXCEST etc are legitimate and right, simply because THEY EXIST? Lets' not get ridiculous.
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Post by katie5445 on Jan 30, 2020 20:42:49 GMT -5
If a LGBTQ person is a citizen of the United States he or she is legitimately entitled to all to all the birth-rights of American citizenship. You homophobic Bible-thumpers don't have the authority to delegitimize citizens just because the gender of their romantic and sexual partners makes you snowflakes feel icky. Tough nuggies, Sparky. P.S. There is no logical comparison between the crimes you listed -- almost always committed by straights, eh? -- and either sexual-orientation. Homosexuality exists but not as a normal condition and they want society to validate their deviant behavior and negative lifestyle by twisting such social institutions as marriage around and redefining it to conform to a departure from the normal standards. They also want EXTRA rights as they fit every category already but want society to put their stamp of approval on them. HOMOSEXUAL is not an equal but separate category. Rather it is a distinction included in dysfunctions and disorders. You don't have to validate anything you don't want to, you have to however respect the rights of every person born in this country if they conform to the laws of this country. Equal rights is not extra rights. It is no matter if YOU see it as a dysfunction/disorder, you are welcome to do so, what you must do as a human being an American, expect the same rights and be tolerant of the rights of those who aren't so hot as you............
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Post by oldarmybear on Jan 30, 2020 21:35:19 GMT -5
who says he is hot?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 23:32:53 GMT -5
Homosexuality exists but not as a normal condition and they want society to validate their deviant behavior and negative lifestyle by twisting such social institutions as marriage around and redefining it to conform to a departure from the normal standards. They also want EXTRA rights as they fit every category already but want society to put their stamp of approval on them. HOMOSEXUAL is not an equal but separate category. Rather it is a distinction included in dysfunctions and disorders. You don't have to validate anything you don't want to, you have to however respect the rights of every person born in this country if they conform to the laws of this country. Equal rights is not extra rights. It is no matter if YOU see it as a dysfunction/disorder, you are welcome to do so, what you must do as a human being an American, expect the same rights and be tolerant of the rights of those who aren't so hot as you............ Homosexuality is not normal, moral or regular and up until recently was not even THOUGHT of as giving ANY kind of recognition or legal status. Homosexuals can do everything married couples can do through legal documents : Wills, Power of Attorney, medical proxy etc. and as such are not discriminated against. THEY DON'T NEED TO PERVERT marriage as well OR force society to codify it into law. If two consenting adults agree to whatever they want , that is fine and they should be left alone whether you agree or not. It's when they assert that because of what they choose to do as consenting adults ( namely who they have sex with) that they are deserving of extra consideration under the law AND that society MUST accept that behavior openly which they have consented to, this is where there lies the problem and the conflict.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 23:34:48 GMT -5
Just because something EXISTS, doesn't make it right or legitimate. On YOUR stated basis then, are YOU going to say RAPE, MURDER, PEDOPHILIA, INXCEST etc are legitimate and right, simply because THEY EXIST? Lets' not get ridiculous. You are NOW sidestepping because you cannot defend your stated reasoning, when using that same reasoning to apply across the board. Just because something EXISTS, doesn't make it right or legitimate! are YOU going to say RAPE, MURDER, PEDOPHILIA, INCEST, CRIME etc. are legitimate and right, simply because THEY EXIST?
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Post by katie5445 on Jan 31, 2020 0:36:37 GMT -5
Rape, incest, murder, pedophilia, are crimes by law being a homosexual is not. I have no problem you being against homosexuality, what I do have a problem with is your lack of tolerance because someone is not like you. I don't expect you to embrace it but as a Christian if you walk in Christ's step's I do expect you to be tolerant. Try John 8:7 or Matthew 7:1, stand in front of a mirror and repeat it 20x a day.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 6:38:28 GMT -5
Rape, incest, murder, pedophilia, are crimes by law being a homosexual is not. I have no problem you being against homosexuality, what I do have a problem with is your lack of tolerance because someone is not like you. I don't expect you to embrace it but as a Christian if you walk in Christ's step's I do expect you to be tolerant. Try John 8:7 or Matthew 7:1, stand in front of a mirror and repeat it 20x a day. The HOMOSEXUAL is ON that side of the spectrum of abnormalities and disorders. As far as Christ goes, HE is the AUTHOR of the ENTIRE BIBLE and gave us THESE passages as well: Leviticus 18:22 (RSV) 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 (RSV) 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.
Matthew 19:4-5 (RSV) 4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
Romans 1:26-27 (RSV) 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.
1 Corinthians 6:9 (RSV) 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts,
1 Timothy 1:9-10 (RSV) 9 understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 immoral persons, sodomites, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
People misunderstand, misrepresent and misquote Christianity. Christianity doesn't hate homosexuals. Christianity DOES say, however, that the behavior and practice of engaging in homosexuality is wrong and should not continue. Jesus kept company sometimes with thieves, prostitutes, etc. He didn't do that to support their activities. He did that so they could recognize they must TURN AWAY from those behaviors and REPENT. He said, " I have not come to call the virtuous, but sinners". Matt7:1 and John 8:7 are not given to SUPPORT above listed behaviors ( and other behaviors deemed negative and destructive) BUT to IDENTIFY and refrain from those behaviors.
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Post by tubaornottuba on Jan 31, 2020 14:25:59 GMT -5
Tut tut, Sparky. Your screed's gonna' give the board den-mother a boner. Careful, Sport. It's the "topic-that-must-not-be-spoken".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 12:44:34 GMT -5
(last paragraph Federalist no.1, excerpt) "...It may perhaps be thought superfluous to offer arguments to prove the utility of the UNION, a point, no doubt, deeply engraved on the hearts of the great body of the people in every State, and one, which it may be imagined, has no adversaries. But the fact is, that we already hear it whispered in the private circles of those who oppose the new Constitution, that the thirteen States are of too great extent for any general system, and that we must of necessity resort to separate confederacies of distinct portions of the whole. [1] This doctrine will, in all probability, be gradually propagated, till it has votaries enough to countenance an open avowal of it. For nothing can be more evident, to those who are able to take an enlarged view of the subject, than the alternative of an adoption of the new Constitution or a dismemberment of the Union. It will therefore be of use to begin by examining the advantages of that Union, the certain evils, and the probable dangers, to which every State will be exposed from its dissolution. This shall accordingly constitute the subject of my next address..." PUBLIUS. www.congress.gov/resources/display/content/The+Federalist+Papers#TheFederalistPapers-1
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Post by tubaornottuba on Feb 2, 2020 13:01:01 GMT -5
(last paragraph Federalist no.1, excerpt) "...It may perhaps be thought superfluous to offer arguments to prove the utility of the UNION, a point, no doubt, deeply engraved on the hearts of the great body of the people in every State, and one, which it may be imagined, has no adversaries. But the fact is, that we already hear it whispered in the private circles of those who oppose the new Constitution, that the thirteen States are of too great extent for any general system, and that we must of necessity resort to separate confederacies of distinct portions of the whole. [1] This doctrine will, in all probability, be gradually propagated, till it has votaries enough to countenance an open avowal of it. For nothing can be more evident, to those who are able to take an enlarged view of the subject, than the alternative of an adoption of the new Constitution or a dismemberment of the Union. It will therefore be of use to begin by examining the advantages of that Union, the certain evils, and the probable dangers, to which every State will be exposed from its dissolution. This shall accordingly constitute the subject of my next address..." PUBLIUS. www.congress.gov/resources/display/content/The+Federalist+Papers#TheFederalistPapers-1Indeed. The Federalist Papers did not propose a weak "confederacy" but a "union" endeavored by a strong federal system of governance.
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