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Post by Bogus0Pomp on Mar 22, 2021 13:40:23 GMT -5
I want someone to give me one good reason to support an ideology and/or a religion that wants me not only dead, but tortured for eternity.
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Post by argy on Jun 7, 2021 22:52:47 GMT -5
What do you think your basis of morality is?
We KNOW that the basis for morality comes by ABSOLUTES from HE who brought all existence into the world.
We don't know that at all. Before you can assert that you first need to prove the reality of this beings existence. Then you still have your work cut out because you would then need to establish that such a being is necessary for morality to exist.
You really aren't very good at this logic stuff. How do you get from that statement to that conclusion? And why is it not allowed for everyone to have their own standard of morality? I'd say that, based on observation of the real world, it's reasonable to conclude that every person has their own private notion of what is moral and what is not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 23:32:13 GMT -5
You reveal a superficial application with barely knowing the topic
Please educate me. Answer the question.
Firstly there is NO such thing as homophobia
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 23:34:59 GMT -5
We KNOW that the basis for morality comes by ABSOLUTES from HE who brought all existence into the world.
We don't know that at all. Before you can assert that you first need to prove the reality of this beings existence. Then you still have your work cut out because you would then need to establish that such a being is necessary for morality to exist. THESE are YOUR fabricated conditions which are NOT binding on the reality
You really aren't very good at this logic stuff. How do you get from that statement to that conclusion? And why is it not allowed for everyone to have their own standard of morality? Because then you have conflicting moralities and NO basis for right and wrong as it is then ALL subjective. Its ok then for Hitler and that society to gas Jews, for colonial America and Europe to subjugate blacks etc I'd say that, based on observation of the real world, it's reasonable to conclude that every person has their own private notion of what is moral and what is not.
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Post by argy on Jun 8, 2021 6:51:16 GMT -5
Please educate me. Answer the question.
Firstly there is NO such thing as homophobia
This is getting weird.
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Post by argy on Jun 8, 2021 6:57:41 GMT -5
We don't know that at all. Before you can assert that you first need to prove the reality of this beings existence. Then you still have your work cut out because you would then need to establish that such a being is necessary for morality to exist.
THESE are YOUR fabricated conditions which are NOT binding on the reality
Look, mate, prove that your god exists and then maybe we can have a discussion.
Until then you're just blowing smoke up my ****
Just look at the real world. There are lots of conflicting "moralities". Why is yours more special than anyone else's?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 9:28:48 GMT -5
Firstly there is NO such thing as homophobia
This is getting weird.
Not weird at all, HOMOPHOBIA is a fabrication.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 9:33:43 GMT -5
Look, mate, prove that your god exists and then maybe we can have a discussion. WHY DOES GOD NEED TO BE PROVEN TO YOU? Will that ADD to HIS REALITY?
Until then you're just blowing smoke up my ****
Just look at the real world. There are lots of conflicting "moralities". Why is yours more special than anyone else's? The answer is right there in your question as you say there'd be lots of conflicting "moralities", instead of the ABSOLUTE , the OBJECTIVE standard. So according to you then ALL "moralities" are equal and then there is no right and wrong, no judgment on abhorrent behaviors. The RAPIST'S morality is equal to the victim he just assaulted, the mugger is also equal in view to his victim, then there really is no crime, no theft as it's ALL relative and opposite moralities cancel each other out
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Post by argy on Jun 8, 2021 17:35:59 GMT -5
Not weird at all, HOMOPHOBIA is a fabrication.
Oxford definition:
Sounds to me like you have your head shoved somewhere the sun don't shine if you think that doesn't exist. Heck, I think you're a pretty good example of it.
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Post by argy on Jun 8, 2021 17:40:43 GMT -5
Look, mate, prove that your god exists and then maybe we can have a discussion. WHY DOES GOD NEED TO BE PROVEN TO YOU? Will that ADD to HIS REALITY?
Until then you're just blowing smoke up my ****
Because until you can do so, any talk or conclusions predicated on his existence are pointless.
Thanks for confirming my point. There is no absolute, objective standard. The good thing is that now you've recognised that, we should be able to move on.
Now that's a silly thing to say. Didn't you understand my point about morality being based on well-being?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 19:16:36 GMT -5
Not weird at all, HOMOPHOBIA is a fabrication.
Oxford definition:
Sounds to me like you have your head shoved somewhere the sun don't shine if you think that doesn't exist. Heck, I think you're a pretty good example of it.
What you think is underwhelming and unimpressive tubbytuba, A phobia (from the Greek: f?ß??,phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an irrational, intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, animals, or people. The meaning in the Greek language has NOT changed. There is NO such thing as homophobia, as a "phobia" is a fear of something. A "homo" phobia would be a fear of homosexuals, and what you mislabel as a phobia is actually a legitimate disapproval of a deviant behavior. Your non- acceptance of that genuine disapproval doesn't legitimize the distorted presentation of what a phobia is. Secondly, continual support of a deviant behavior doesn't make your support of that illegitimate behavior legitimate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 19:20:54 GMT -5
Because until you can do so, any talk or conclusions predicated on his existence are pointless.
Thanks for confirming my point. There is no absolute, objective standard. The good thing is that now you've recognised that, we should be able to move on. Now that's a silly thing to say. Didn't you understand my point about morality being based on well-being?
YOU have NO impact on the existence of God. I didn't say there was NO objective standard, YOU said that. I said THERE ARE ABSOLUTES. Since EVRYONE, as you say , has there OWN standard then WHY is Well Being a factor? THAT is ONLY YOUR criteria you are trying to impose on the rest of us. Morality by your standard is anything the individual wishes it to be. MY morality then says the only criteria is MY WELL BEING and it doesn't matter about everyone else's
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Post by argy on Jun 8, 2021 20:19:32 GMT -5
Oxford definition:
Sounds to me like you have your head shoved somewhere the sun don't shine if you think that doesn't exist. Heck, I think you're a pretty good example of it.
What you think is underwhelming and unimpressive tubbytuba, A phobia (from the Greek: f?ß??,phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an irrational, intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, animals, or people. The meaning in the Greek language has NOT changed. There is NO such thing as homophobia, as a "phobia" is a fear of something. A "homo" phobia would be a fear of homosexuals, and what you mislabel as a phobia is actually a legitimate disapproval of a deviant behavior. Your non- acceptance of that genuine disapproval doesn't legitimize the distorted presentation of what a phobia is. Secondly, continual support of a deviant behavior doesn't make your support of that illegitimate behavior legitimate.
WTF??
I gave you the Oxford definition of the word and you try to redefine it to suit your agenda.
Speak to the everyday meaning, not to some mixed up confusion in your mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 20:22:19 GMT -5
What you think is underwhelming and unimpressive tubbytuba, A phobia (from the Greek: f?ß??,phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is an irrational, intense and persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, animals, or people. The meaning in the Greek language has NOT changed. There is NO such thing as homophobia, as a "phobia" is a fear of something. A "homo" phobia would be a fear of homosexuals, and what you mislabel as a phobia is actually a legitimate disapproval of a deviant behavior. Your non- acceptance of that genuine disapproval doesn't legitimize the distorted presentation of what a phobia is. Secondly, continual support of a deviant behavior doesn't make your support of that illegitimate behavior legitimate.
WTF??
I gave you the Oxford definition of the word and you try to redefine it to suit your agenda.
Speak to the everyday meaning, not to some mixed up confusion in your mind.
You obviously don't know what etymology is.
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Post by argy on Jun 8, 2021 20:33:39 GMT -5
YOU have NO impact on the existence of God.
Of course not. And neither do you have an impact on his non-existence.
But that's not the issue. Which is that before you can claim god provides absolute morals you need to demonstrate that god exists, otherwise it's no different to claiming that the invisible pink unicorn is the basis of morality.
Yes, but you didn't show what they are. All you did was to claim they exist.
What are these so called moral absolutes that you talk about - and how do you define what a moral absolute is anyway? I think it's a silly concept.
What I am saying is that my observations suggest that human beings can judge the morals demonstrated in the bible. We use a standard that is above the bible, and it is based on well-being.
I am not imposing it. I am observing it.
Not true. Because if you act selfishly it will bight you on the backside. You will gain a reputation for being a prick and no one will help you.
It is in your own self interest to behave nicely to those around you, not to steal from them, not to murder them and not to fornicate with their wives or husbands. You gain an advantage by suppressing your selfishness and helping others.
Humans have evolved into a social species. Individually, we have gained a survival advantage by surrendering some of our independence and, in turn, being rewarded by the protection of our fellows.
It's really that simple.
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Post by argy on Jun 8, 2021 20:34:09 GMT -5
WTF??
I gave you the Oxford definition of the word and you try to redefine it to suit your agenda.
Speak to the everyday meaning, not to some mixed up confusion in your mind.
You obviously don't know what etymology is.
And you don't know what a dictionary is.
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