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Post by oldarmybear on Jan 11, 2019 12:32:04 GMT -5
The Ironies of Illegal Immigration By Victor Davis Hanson
Mexico does not explain why its citizens wish to leave their birth country — or why they are eager to enter a country ridiculed by the Mexican press and government. Estimates suggest that there are eleven million to 13 million Mexican citizens currently living in the United States illegally. Millions more emigrated previously and are now U.S. citizens.
A recent poll revealed that one-third of Mexicans (34 percent) would like to emigrate to the United States. With Mexico having a population of about 130 million, that amounts to some 44 million would-be immigrants.
Such massive potential emigration into the United States makes no sense.
First, Mexico is a naturally rich country. It ranks 19th in the world in proven oil reserves and is currently the twelfth-largest oil producer. Mexico certainly has significantly more natural advantages than do far wealthier per capita Singapore, Taiwan, or Chile.
Mexico also is one of the world’s most popular tourist destinations and earns billions in foreign exchange from visitors. It enjoys a temperate climate, is rich in minerals, and has millions of acres of fertile farmland and a long coastline.
In addition to being strategically located as a bridge between North America and South America, Mexico has ports on both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.
It is not an overcrowded country: Mexico ranks in the lower half of the world in population density. Too many people and too little land are certainly not the reasons why millions of Mexicans either emigrate or wish to emigrate to the United States. Second, popular progressive narratives in both Mexico and the United States cite America for all sorts of pathologies, past and present. The United States is often damned for prior colonialism and imperialism, as well as current racism and xenophobia.
Why, then, would millions of people south of the border leave their own homeland and potentially risk their lives to encounter a strange culture and language, to live in such a purportedly inhospitable place, and to adopt to an antithetical system based on supposedly toxic European and Protestant traditions?
Read more here: www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/illegal-immigration-mexicans-leaving-mexico-for-usa/
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Post by katie5445 on Jan 18, 2019 23:58:14 GMT -5
It's the old democrat play book..make them feel guilty over putting Americans over other people wanting to take away what we have and give it to foreigners... It doesn't work on me...how about y'all? You think you make dems "feel guilty" oh unwise one, try again. "Take away and give it to foreigners" you people are the only ones who think you made it on your own, saved money and don't want to give it away. I'd rethink that! What makes you so special you are unlike any other wage earner, get over yourselves and this false guilt you put on the rest of Americans, "how about y'all," well I think you are full of it. We all work hard and no one wants an open bank to the store.
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Post by skrumpie on Jan 19, 2019 10:11:19 GMT -5
The difference between wage earners who managed their money and those who didn't is pretty stark, Katie.
Surely even you can see that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 12:44:48 GMT -5
It's the old democrat play book..make them feel guilty over putting Americans over other people wanting to take away what we have and give it to foreigners... It doesn't work on me...how about y'all? You think you make dems "feel guilty" oh unwise one, try again. "Take away and give it to foreigners" you people are the only ones who think you made it on your own, saved money and don't want to give it away. I'd rethink that! What makes you so special you are unlike any other wage earner, get over yourselves and this false guilt you put on the rest of Americans, "how about y'all," well I think you are full of it. We all work hard and no one wants an open bank to the store. Your reading comprehension is lousy, Katie...It is the old democratic play book that tries to make Americans feel guilty of taking care of ourselves first, and not giving it to every Tom, Dick, and Harry that tries to cross our border illegally. And, there you go again, assuming that when we speak of the democrat party, that we are personally talking about you. Tell me, just who here is thinking every post is about her...???
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Post by katie5445 on Jan 24, 2019 0:47:40 GMT -5
That is in your mind provided by Trump and company and a continual conservative charge. I didn't work my butt off to support not only illegals but those citizens collecting aid in this country when they should be working. I don't know what makes you all so special to think you are the only worker bees who don't want illegals pinching jobs or those on aid sitting home watching telly, eating snacks and doing drugs all day while I worked to support three kids. You don't just attack the democrat party, you attack me on issues I don't believe in, which is typical for the far right, what I say, what I believe is given a pass as if I have never said it. I find that typical of the right wing, it just doesn't matter what one thinks or believes., it has come down to what YOU say it is, when it isn't and it doesn't matter what I say. I can agree and still get mass shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 12:37:25 GMT -5
No, I am relying on history, Katie...you know that stuff that you liberals want to be erased.
Let me tell you something...If I meant YOU, I would say YOU! I have no problem with telling YOU what I think of your beliefs or your misconceptions of politics or life. So stop trying to play the victim again...When I say the left, the democrats, the liberals, I mean the democrat party in general...IF I MEANT YOU, I WOULD SAY YOU!!
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Post by katie5445 on Jan 26, 2019 2:00:17 GMT -5
"Victim" do be serious, I don't refer to myself as one and I am not, absurd, stupid and highly ridiculous. I've never claimed "victim" status although you keep assigning it to me for some reason. I will cop to being a member of the democrat party where in your statement of"general" of the democrat party you would be referring to me. "The stuff that you liberals want erased," I take exception to that statement. You don't think I think there are those in my party that are wankers, really, there are plenty I'd like to erase as being part of the dem party but we all have persons no one would want to or will cop to, it isn't only politics as in supporting the general platform of each party, it is having for both sides to endure politicians/voters in your own party that does or should give you serious concern which both sides are dealing with now, dems those who have gone to far left and republicans, those who have gone to far right. I've never accused you of not telling me what you think of me or my politics, that would be dumb, you are loud and clear and in caps. You "rely" on history, no you don't, you are like the FOX opinion pundits you rely on opinion not history and that you quoted such, is a crack up and a figment of your imagination.
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Post by oldarmybear on Jan 28, 2019 18:37:30 GMT -5
Quite frankly I am at enmity with any person/government official that wishes to unfairly tax my hard earned income. I think that every earner in the USA should be taxed at the same rate with no exemptions except for the first $40k of earned income. I have been an advocate for this since it was first introduced by Steve Forbes back in 1986.
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Post by katie5445 on Feb 4, 2019 3:54:47 GMT -5
The difference between wage earners who managed their money and those who didn't is pretty stark, Katie.
Surely even you can see that. No I don't see that, one will have a hard time managing money on 15 bucks an hour on my side of the west coast two persons working at 15 bucks an hour is still catch up especially with kids. A studio apt here not in a gang bang area runs $1100-1200-1300 bucks a month. You are selling millions of worker bees in this country short as they blew it and didn't manage their money, that is your excuse and I suppose it makes you feel far better to think persons blew it than the cost of living in this country has become so inflated they can't make it, even when both spouses are working a full work week. You either have no clue to what is going on or you take the low road of lying and I don't care, my suspicions are the low road as it's the road you enjoy.
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Post by Bogus0Pomp on Feb 4, 2019 7:44:49 GMT -5
Quite frankly I am at enmity with any person/government official that wishes to unfairly tax my hard earned income. I think that every earner in the USA should be taxed at the same rate with no exemptions except for the first $40k of earned income. I have been an advocate for this since it was first introduced by Steve Forbes back in 1986. When you say "earned income" are you using the 1040 form definition of that term?
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Post by oldarmybear on Feb 4, 2019 9:29:30 GMT -5
earned income = money you worked to earn...
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Post by Bogus0Pomp on Feb 4, 2019 10:56:37 GMT -5
That statement is not particularly defining, Bear. It doesn't seem to clearly answer my question. Perhaps you could clarify by giving some examples of both what would be earned income and unearned income.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 11:25:08 GMT -5
earned income, job, unearned welfare. jerry
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Post by oldarmybear on Feb 4, 2019 12:08:09 GMT -5
Unearned income, interest/dividends on money in savings/investment accounts, bonds, etc.
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Post by Bogus0Pomp on Feb 4, 2019 13:30:38 GMT -5
Thanks, Bear. So, under the system you advocate, to wit:
... I think that every earner in the USA should be taxed at the same rate with no exemptions except for the first $40k of earned income. I have been an advocate for this since it was first introduced by Steve Forbes back in 1986. you would, along with something like the top 10%ers, would pay zero to a very much lower percentage of your income than those whose income is 100% or predominantly earned income.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 13:44:34 GMT -5
How do you figure that?
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