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Post by oldarmybear on Jan 11, 2019 12:32:04 GMT -5
The Ironies of Illegal Immigration By Victor Davis Hanson
Mexico does not explain why its citizens wish to leave their birth country — or why they are eager to enter a country ridiculed by the Mexican press and government. Estimates suggest that there are eleven million to 13 million Mexican citizens currently living in the United States illegally. Millions more emigrated previously and are now U.S. citizens.
A recent poll revealed that one-third of Mexicans (34 percent) would like to emigrate to the United States. With Mexico having a population of about 130 million, that amounts to some 44 million would-be immigrants.
Such massive potential emigration into the United States makes no sense.
First, Mexico is a naturally rich country. It ranks 19th in the world in proven oil reserves and is currently the twelfth-largest oil producer. Mexico certainly has significantly more natural advantages than do far wealthier per capita Singapore, Taiwan, or Chile.
Mexico also is one of the world’s most popular tourist destinations and earns billions in foreign exchange from visitors. It enjoys a temperate climate, is rich in minerals, and has millions of acres of fertile farmland and a long coastline.
In addition to being strategically located as a bridge between North America and South America, Mexico has ports on both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.
It is not an overcrowded country: Mexico ranks in the lower half of the world in population density. Too many people and too little land are certainly not the reasons why millions of Mexicans either emigrate or wish to emigrate to the United States. Second, popular progressive narratives in both Mexico and the United States cite America for all sorts of pathologies, past and present. The United States is often damned for prior colonialism and imperialism, as well as current racism and xenophobia.
Why, then, would millions of people south of the border leave their own homeland and potentially risk their lives to encounter a strange culture and language, to live in such a purportedly inhospitable place, and to adopt to an antithetical system based on supposedly toxic European and Protestant traditions?
Read more here: www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/illegal-immigration-mexicans-leaving-mexico-for-usa/
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 13:29:04 GMT -5
Well, the caravan isn't actually from Mexico, and we all know why they are rushing into our country...government benefits! I don't see this as a big mystery. But, that's just me!
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Post by oldarmybear on Jan 11, 2019 15:55:05 GMT -5
believe me, Pickle, you are not alone....
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Post by skrumpie on Jan 11, 2019 16:44:46 GMT -5
Here is the reality as I see it, not necessarily in order.
We elect people who do not keep ANY of their campaign promises to us, and too often they are corrupted within weeks of arriving in Washington. And then we turn around and elect them again.
We elect people who work against the legal citizen, the taxpayer, and the achievers in order to pander to and gain the vote of people who wish for their illegal relatives or illegal countrymen to come to our country with not a care in the world as to how they will provide for themselves and their families, nor what type of impact they will have on our natural born, or legally naturalized citizens.
We elect people who consistently pander to the tiniest special interest groups.
We fund literally thousands of foundations that work expressly AGAINST the United States Constitution. A lot of those anti-American foundations, and that is clearly what they are, are further funded by family trusts now run by people who have been extremely wealth for generations, and have no real connection to the people of this nation (or any other) other than those who run in their rarefied circles. These foundations lean almost exclusively left. So we are actually paying, as taxpayers, to fund people who work against us.
Then we are told, if we question or complain, that we are greedy and heartless.
Currently there are 'activists' working in Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, I have no doubt other countries, who are organizing these people into groups, promising them the moon, and their actual goal is a world with no borders. High on the list of the favorite things of George Soros, et al.
AND WE ARE PAYING FOR THEM, at least in part, by funding them, almost always as non-profits, who, by definition, are not supposed to engage in political agendas, but whoever it is that decides this funding never seems to care if a left-leaning non-profit is blatantly political, while they beat their chests and send the IRS out in force if they think a group of three conservatives might be doing anything even remotely political. We say that clearly when the Tea Party was forming.
We pay politicians who work against America. Every single politician who favors open borders is seditious. But nothing is ever done about them. Every single politician who works to subvert anything in our Constitution is being paid to work against the very oath of office they took, and we re-elect them.
We pay their staffs, who work against us. The FBI works against the Constitution of the United States of America. As does the CIA. As does the DOJ. Not the rank and file, but the top level guys and gals, yep. Everyone of them a subversive who has committed crimes and in some cases sedition, and what happens to them? Not a damned thing, because our government has created a two-tier system of justice. What YOU would be put away with for years, they get away with on a daily basis.
And we pay them for it. Then we pay them for screwing us over for however long they were at the top by paying them fat pensions when they really should be, in some cases, in jail.
We need to wake up, as a nation. We are paying literally thousands and thousands of people who wish to 'fundamentally change' America, and those same people tell us we're not paying enough. They call us names. They question OUR patriotism, which is unbelievable to me.
When we finally elect someone who is trying like hell to keep his promises, all of which are literally making America great again, all the people described above, along with our leftwing press, do everything in their power to stop him, proving they care absolutely nothing about this country, its legal citizens, its children.
Literally NOTHING. We know this because the same people that were emoting last year about the crisis at the border, the poor children kept in cages (except they had the wrong administration), and blah, blah endless blah of emotion about the opioid crisis, unaccompanied children, the 'crisis' of family separation, are now all squawking the exact same talking point about a 'manufactured crisis'.
And at the risk of repeating myself, we are paying these lying sacks of shit, we are paying for their huge staffs, we are sending their entire families on 'fact-finding missions' in which they stay, on us, in the most elegant resorts on earth, all with walls for their security.
Because, you know, they are our betters. They deserve it.
We don't.
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Post by katie5445 on Jan 11, 2019 22:39:04 GMT -5
Well, the caravan isn't actually from Mexico, and we all know why they are rushing into our country...government benefits! I don't see this as a big mystery. But, that's just me! You don't know, seriously? What benefits are those? It is not a mystery, there are illegal immigrants and then there are refugees, that is no mystery at all. Unfortunately the right seems not to have to ability to separate the two and neither does your leader.
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Post by katie5445 on Jan 11, 2019 22:51:24 GMT -5
Here is the reality as I see it, not necessarily in order.
We elect people who do not keep ANY of their campaign promises to us, and too often they are corrupted within weeks of arriving in Washington. And then we turn around and elect them again.
We elect people who work against the legal citizen, the taxpayer, and the achievers in order to pander to and gain the vote of people who wish for their illegal relatives or illegal countrymen to come to our country with not a care in the world as to how they will provide for themselves and their families, nor what type of impact they will have on our natural born, or legally naturalized citizens.
We elect people who consistently pander to the tiniest special interest groups.
We fund literally thousands of foundations that work expressly AGAINST the United States Constitution. A lot of those anti-American foundations, and that is clearly what they are, are further funded by family trusts now run by people who have been extremely wealth for generations, and have no real connection to the people of this nation (or any other) other than those who run in their rarefied circles. These foundations lean almost exclusively left. So we are actually paying, as taxpayers, to fund people who work against us.
Then we are told, if we question or complain, that we are greedy and heartless.
Currently there are 'activists' working in Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, I have no doubt other countries, who are organizing these people into groups, promising them the moon, and their actual goal is a world with no borders. High on the list of the favorite things of George Soros, et al.
AND WE ARE PAYING FOR THEM, at least in part, by funding them, almost always as non-profits, who, by definition, are not supposed to engage in political agendas, but whoever it is that decides this funding never seems to care if a left-leaning non-profit is blatantly political, while they beat their chests and send the IRS out in force if they think a group of three conservatives might be doing anything even remotely political. We say that clearly when the Tea Party was forming.
We pay politicians who work against America. Every single politician who favors open borders is seditious. But nothing is ever done about them. Every single politician who works to subvert anything in our Constitution is being paid to work against the very oath of office they took, and we re-elect them.
We pay their staffs, who work against us. The FBI works against the Constitution of the United States of America. As does the CIA. As does the DOJ. Not the rank and file, but the top level guys and gals, yep. Everyone of them a subversive who has committed crimes and in some cases sedition, and what happens to them? Not a damned thing, because our government has created a two-tier system of justice. What YOU would be put away with for years, they get away with on a daily basis.
And we pay them for it. Then we pay them for screwing us over for however long they were at the top by paying them fat pensions when they really should be, in some cases, in jail.
We need to wake up, as a nation. We are paying literally thousands and thousands of people who wish to 'fundamentally change' America, and those same people tell us we're not paying enough. They call us names. They question OUR patriotism, which is unbelievable to me.
When we finally elect someone who is trying like hell to keep his promises, all of which are literally making America great again, all the people described above, along with our leftwing press, do everything in their power to stop him, proving they care absolutely nothing about this country, its legal citizens, its children.
Literally NOTHING. We know this because the same people that were emoting last year about the crisis at the border, the poor children kept in cages (except they had the wrong administration), and blah, blah endless blah of emotion about the opioid crisis, unaccompanied children, the 'crisis' of family separation, are now all squawking the exact same talking point about a 'manufactured crisis'.
And at the risk of repeating myself, we are paying these lying sacks of shit, we are paying for their huge staffs, we are sending their entire families on 'fact-finding missions' in which they stay, on us, in the most elegant resorts on earth, all with walls for their security.
Because, you know, they are our betters. They deserve it.
We don't.
Emotion from you, not expected. Keeping his campaign promise, what's that, Mexico will pay for the wall, right. The lying sack of shit is Trump and I wonder how many times you accept being lied to for this man, alot. The DOJ, the FBI, Homeland Security, CIA, NSA, the latest environmental report, bringing back coal, all reports in his admin come out almost always against him and yet you see this lying ass businessman as the last word. He promised to hire the "A" list, "A" list has resigned or been fired, the "D" list like Scarmucci or Omarosa and the wife beater, and the lot of the losers are either gone or in trouble.
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Post by skrumpie on Jan 12, 2019 8:03:13 GMT -5
The lying sack of shit is Trump and I wonder how many times you accept being lied to for this man, alot. For the fool, Katie, who never wondered why she accepted being lied to a lot:
1,375 well sourced examples of Barack Obama’s lies, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, hypocrisy, waste, etc. Kindle Edition by Daniel Alman
www.amazon.com/examples-lawbreaking-corruption-cronyism-hypocrisy-ebook/dp/B01E4U36NE
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2019 9:00:45 GMT -5
Well, the caravan isn't actually from Mexico, and we all know why they are rushing into our country...government benefits! I don't see this as a big mystery. But, that's just me! You don't know, seriously? What benefits are those? It is not a mystery, there are illegal immigrants and then there are refugees, that is no mystery at all. Unfortunately the right seems not to have to ability to separate the two and neither does your leader. If they are coming into this country without legal papers and citizenship, they are illegals...There is NO difference. And, if you don't know what benefits, that is simply because you hide your head in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the reality of truth. These people are not concerned with coming into our country legally, they thought they could come here and barge their way into our country, taking from our tax dollars and any government program they could steal from Americans that are here. If your bleeding heart can't recognize the difference in ILLEGALS and AMERICANS that deserve support, like the elderly, the disabled, the veterans, the sick...it is YOU that need to reexamine your priorities.
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Post by skrumpie on Jan 12, 2019 9:31:48 GMT -5
I have to say, I laugh, though not in mirth, when socialists tell us these illegals are not invaders. All one has to do is look at the many, many photographs and video of these people, rushing towards the border of Mexico with Guatemala and rushing through in a human wave, totally ignoring the authorities. One has only to look at the same media of them rushing the borders here, grabbing onto the walls, trying to pull them down, covering their faces with bandanas or shirts and throwing rocks and bottles, smoke bombs.
Tell me, if a thousand people rushed towards your home and started beating on the doors, windows, and walls, threw rocks and bottles and smoke bombs, would YOU consider them invaders or guests?
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Post by oldarmybear on Jan 15, 2019 13:57:10 GMT -5
Where did Katie go. It seems she has abandoned this thread. It is my opinion that a refugee becomes an invader when they rush the border en masse trying to force their way into the USA.
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Post by katie5445 on Jan 15, 2019 22:18:01 GMT -5
I'm right here and I know the difference between an illegal and a refugee. Actually Skrump if you have been to any of these countries, they are highly advised including on tv that the American Dream is not the American Dream and do not go. I don't know why I keep getting lectures as if I want illegals from any country to flood the border, so you've all wasted your anger, go email kooky Maxine Waters.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 17:06:43 GMT -5
When you differeniate between refuge and illegals, it tends to bring out the anger of the right upon yourself. No matter what title you paste on someone that is trying to ILLEGALLY come into our country, and force us to support them with our tax dollars, we tend to lump you into the group of people that care more about foreigners than our own poor, elderly, disabled, and veterans... Why not take that into account before you act so innocent here.
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Post by oldarmybear on Jan 16, 2019 17:55:52 GMT -5
Because the concern she expressed for the invaders is phony. She is being fed her lines from the DNC, Soros and company.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 18:28:25 GMT -5
It's the old democrat play book..make them feel guilty over putting Americans over other people wanting to take away what we have and give it to foreigners... It doesn't work on me...how about y'all?
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Post by katie5445 on Jan 18, 2019 23:51:13 GMT -5
Because the concern she expressed for the invaders is phony. She is being fed her lines from the DNC, Soros and company. I might pick someone else besides Soros or the DNC, I'm not sure what either "fed me lines' I've not paid attention, I've never read one article by Soros, I barely know who he is and I'm not sure what you mean by "and company,"
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