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Post by oldarmybear on Dec 12, 2019 19:45:55 GMT -5
McConnell will move to acquit Trump if he's impeached, not merely dismiss charges, 2 Republican senators say (CNN)Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is expected to hold a final vote to acquit President Donald Trump, should he be impeached, when a majority of senators believe his trial has run its course instead of holding a vote on dismissing the articles of impeachment, two Republican senators told CNN on Wednesday. Republicans want to have a vote on acquittal -- to clear the President of the charges against him -- not simply rely on a 51-vote threshold procedural motion to dismiss the hotly disputed case. The Constitution mandates 67 votes are required to convict the President and remove him from office, a barrier widely considered too high to be reached in this case. One vote McConnell can't rely on is that of Vice President Mike Pence, who has "no role in impeachment," according to a GOP leadership aide, despite being president of the Senate with the mandate to break ties. Pence's power, which applies to legislation and nominations, isn't in effect when the Senate is weighing removing his boss, an obvious conflict of interest since he would replace Trump if he were removed. Instead, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts would preside at the trial and any tie motions would fail. One of the senators, speaking anonymously, said McConnell would not call a vote on a motion to proceed to the impeachment articles unless he knew he had the 51 votes needed to end the trial, which would then set up a final vote on the articles themselves. On that final vote, 67 votes would be needed to convict Trump and remove him from office. The other senator, Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, said it "would make more sense" to move to vote on the articles of impeachment -- with their 67-vote requirement -- than on a motion to dismiss and "decide this on a 51-vote threshold, with the potential tie and all the recriminations that would flow from that." McConnell hinted at this strategy when he spoke to reporters on Tuesday and said the Senate would have two choices after hearing opening arguments from the House impeachment managers and the President's defense counsel. "It could go down the path of calling witnesses and basically having another trial or it could decide -- and again, 51 members could make that decision -- that they've heard enough and believe they know what would happen and could move to vote on the two articles of impeachment," he said. "Those are the options. No decisions have been made yet." www.cnn.com/2019/12/11/politics/mcconnell-impeachment-trial-acquittal/index.html
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Post by tubaornottuba on Jan 11, 2020 11:59:14 GMT -5
Not to put too sharp a point on it, but the trial of an impeached President-of-the-United-States requires, as the Constitution commands, prosecuted by the United States House of Representatives, the entire elected Senate to populate his jury and be presided over by the Chief-Justice of the United States Supreme Court. Moreover, the "trial" will be played out in a set of procedural and evidentiary rules made up by the the self-same "jury" that will decide his (so far no "her") fate. In what way do your see those extraordinary differences between a John Doe trial in some circuit-court and tRump's impeachment trial as diminishing the pervy asshole's rights? Care to explain, Sparky? Ok dummy. thee are NO rules of evidence applied here. The appearance is as such BUT the entire process is a political one, not a legal one although there are the superficial trappings. care to explain how you ever passed grade school? Yep. This "process" by definition is "political". It is also a very Constitutional political one, though, eh Sparky? You didn't explain in what way you see the "trial" in the Senate presided over, unlike average Joe 'murican's day in court, by high and mighty elected Representatives and Senators and the Chief-Justice of the Supreme Court will diminish the vile tRump's rights? You announced it will. Care to explain the rights you see will be diminished?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 12:19:48 GMT -5
Ok dummy. thee are NO rules of evidence applied here. The appearance is as such BUT the entire process is a political one, not a legal one although there are the superficial trappings. care to explain how you ever passed grade school? Yep. This "process" by definition is "political". It is also a very Constitutional political one, though, eh Sparky? You didn't explain in what way you see the "trial" in the Senate presided over, unlike average Joe 'murican's day in court, by high and mighty elected Representatives and Senators and the Chief-Justice of the Supreme Court will diminish the vile tRump's rights? You announced it will. Care to explain the rights you see will be diminished? We don't have time to RE-EDUCATE you properly but "Joe" in the court has actual Rules of evidence, prejudicial jurors are expelled, etc. Not in the House or Senate!
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Post by tubaornottuba on Jan 11, 2020 23:26:55 GMT -5
Yep. This "process" by definition is "political". It is also a very Constitutional political one, though, eh Sparky? You didn't explain in what way you see the "trial" in the Senate presided over, unlike average Joe 'murican's day in court, by high and mighty elected Representatives and Senators and the Chief-Justice of the Supreme Court will diminish the vile tRump's rights? You announced it will. Care to explain the rights you see will be diminished? We don't have time to RE-EDUCATE you properly but "Joe" in the court has actual Rules of evidence, prejudicial jurors are expelled, etc. Not in the House or Senate! The Senate makes up the rules to try an impeached president. So far you haven't demonstrated that the disgusting pedophile and spectacular ignoramus tRump's rights have been -- or will be -- diminished by what ever "rules-of-evidence" the Republican controlled Senate made/makes up. Give it a go, Sparky.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 7:39:05 GMT -5
We don't have time to RE-EDUCATE you properly but "Joe" in the court has actual Rules of evidence, prejudicial jurors are expelled, etc. Not in the House or Senate! The Senate makes up the rules to try an impeached president. So far you haven't demonstrated that the disgusting pedophile and spectacular ignoramus tRump's rights have been -- or will be -- diminished by what ever "rules-of-evidence" the Republican controlled Senate made/makes up. Give it a go, Sparky. DON'T have to demonstrate it dummy! The construct of the process AND the hearing to date have demonstrated that quite capably.
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Post by tubaornottuba on Jan 12, 2020 11:04:30 GMT -5
The Senate makes up the rules to try an impeached president. So far you haven't demonstrated that the disgusting pedophile and spectacular ignoramus tRump's rights have been -- or will be -- diminished by what ever "rules-of-evidence" the Republican controlled Senate made/makes up. Give it a go, Sparky. DON'T have to demonstrate it dummy! The construct of the process AND the hearing to date have demonstrated that quite capably. Translation: I don't need no stinkin' examples to affirm my announcement.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 12:32:08 GMT -5
DON'T have to demonstrate it dummy! The construct of the process AND the hearing to date have demonstrated that quite capably. Translation: I don't need no stinkin' examples to affirm my announcement. APPARENTLY reading comprehension escapes YOU: The construct of the process AND the hearing to date have demonstrated that quite capably.
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Post by tubaornottuba on Jan 13, 2020 11:26:54 GMT -5
Translation: I don't need no stinkin' examples to affirm my announcement. APPARENTLY reading comprehension escapes YOU: The construct of the process AND the hearing to date have demonstrated that quite capably. But you still haven't ventured to enumerate any rights "the construct of the process" has taken away from the disgusting the spectacular ignoramus and traitor tRump, though. What's the hold up? Golly, you huffed and puffed that he was being denied "rights", Sparky. Surely you have a list? Which ones?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 12:38:49 GMT -5
APPARENTLY reading comprehension escapes YOU: The construct of the process AND the hearing to date have demonstrated that quite capably. But you still haven't ventured to enumerate any rights "the construct of the process" has taken away from the disgusting the spectacular ignoramus and traitor tRump, though. What's the hold up? Golly, you huffed and puffed that he was being denied "rights", Sparky. Surely you have a list? Which ones? Actually we did BUT you continue to show a lack of reading comprehension! " "Joe" in the court has actual Rules of evidence, prejudicial jurors are expelled, etc. Not in the House or Senate! We are NOT here to re-educate you.
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Post by tubaornottuba on Jan 13, 2020 13:57:42 GMT -5
But you still haven't ventured to enumerate any rights "the construct of the process" has taken away from the disgusting the spectacular ignoramus and traitor tRump, though. What's the hold up? Golly, you huffed and puffed that he was being denied "rights", Sparky. Surely you have a list? Which ones? Actually we did BUT you continue to show a lack of reading comprehension! " "Joe" in the court has actual Rules of evidence, prejudicial jurors are expelled, etc. Not in the House or Senate! We are NOT here to re-educate you.
The Senate will make up the rules-of-evidence etc. Them's the rules, huh? As we know that body is ruled by a filthy gang of tRump fellators, vile Bible-thumping hate-mongers and other right-wing clods with their noses stuck so far up the imbecile's rectum they can see Putin's dick in his mouth, so what are you worried about, Sparky? It's plain the Senate is up to fixin' the game so's the asshole has more "rights" than Joe-Average would ever get in a court room. @@
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 18:32:22 GMT -5
Actually we did BUT you continue to show a lack of reading comprehension! " "Joe" in the court has actual Rules of evidence, prejudicial jurors are expelled, etc. Not in the House or Senate! We are NOT here to re-educate you.
The Senate will make up the rules-of-evidence etc. Them's the rules, huh? As we know that body is ruled by a filthy gang of tRump fellators, vile Bible-thumping hate-mongers and other right-wing clods with their noses stuck so far up the imbecile's rectum they can see Putin's dick in his mouth, so what are you worried about, Sparky? It's plain the Senate is up to fixin' the game so's the asshole has more "rights" than Joe-Average would ever get in a court room. @@ The HOUSE began the WHOLE thing with their phony charges and fabricated whistleblowers!
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Post by tubaornottuba on Jan 16, 2020 11:29:06 GMT -5
The Senate will make up the rules-of-evidence etc. Them's the rules, huh? As we know that body is ruled by a filthy gang of tRump fellators, vile Bible-thumping hate-mongers and other right-wing clods with their noses stuck so far up the imbecile's rectum they can see Putin's dick in his mouth, so what are you worried about, Sparky? It's plain the Senate is up to fixin' the game so's the asshole has more "rights" than Joe-Average would ever get in a court room. @@ The HOUSE began the WHOLE thing with their phony charges and fabricated whistleblowers! That's the MAGAty narrative alright. But the truth is the asshole tRump "began the whole thing" by abusing the power of his office and then obstructing the very Constitutional duty of the United States Congress to hold him accountable. I refer you to Article 1, Section 2. You should read it, Sparky.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 11:39:25 GMT -5
The HOUSE began the WHOLE thing with their phony charges and fabricated whistleblowers! That's the MAGAty narrative alright. But the truth is the asshole tRump "began the whole thing" by abusing the power of his office and then obstructing the very Constitutional duty of the United States Congress to hold him accountable. I refer you to Article 1, Section 2. You should read it, Sparky. You conflate two different things. TRUTH really is he did no such thing as he only executed the powers of his office AND did NOT obstruct Congress at all. You are just plain ignorant and impose your limited thinking and desires onto the whole picture.
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Post by tubaornottuba on Jan 16, 2020 12:34:21 GMT -5
That's the MAGAty narrative alright. But the truth is the asshole tRump "began the whole thing" by abusing the power of his office and then obstructing the very Constitutional duty of the United States Congress to hold him accountable. I refer you to Article 1, Section 2. You should read it, Sparky. You conflate two different things. TRUTH really is he did no such thing as he only executed the powers of his office AND did NOT obstruct Congress at all. You are just plain ignorant and impose your limited thinking and desires onto the whole picture. Yada, yada, MAGAty yada. @@ What a dope. How cool was it when a Black woman delivered the document to the Senate that impeached --for all time-- the white-supremacist tRump? Too cool. Loved it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 19:33:08 GMT -5
You conflate two different things. TRUTH really is he did no such thing as he only executed the powers of his office AND did NOT obstruct Congress at all. You are just plain ignorant and impose your limited thinking and desires onto the whole picture. Yada, yada, MAGAty yada. @@ What a dope. How cool was it when a Black woman delivered the document to the Senate that impeached --for all time-- the white-supremacist tRump? Too cool. Loved it. Thanks for putting your stupidity in print for all to see. That the dumbocrats needed to put forward a black woman SIMPLY because she is black shows that the dumbocrats, AND YOU are very superficial and do not possess any deep intellect!
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Post by tubaornottuba on Jan 17, 2020 1:10:31 GMT -5
Yada, yada, MAGAty yada. @@ What a dope. How cool was it when a Black woman delivered the document to the Senate that impeached --for all time-- the white-supremacist tRump? Too cool. Loved it. Thanks for putting your stupidity in print for all to see. That the dumbocrats needed to put forward a black woman SIMPLY because she is black shows that the dumbocrats, AND YOU are very superficial and do not possess any deep intellect! Still was way cool, Cletus.
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