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Post by oldarmybear on Dec 12, 2019 19:45:55 GMT -5
McConnell will move to acquit Trump if he's impeached, not merely dismiss charges, 2 Republican senators say (CNN)Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is expected to hold a final vote to acquit President Donald Trump, should he be impeached, when a majority of senators believe his trial has run its course instead of holding a vote on dismissing the articles of impeachment, two Republican senators told CNN on Wednesday. Republicans want to have a vote on acquittal -- to clear the President of the charges against him -- not simply rely on a 51-vote threshold procedural motion to dismiss the hotly disputed case. The Constitution mandates 67 votes are required to convict the President and remove him from office, a barrier widely considered too high to be reached in this case. One vote McConnell can't rely on is that of Vice President Mike Pence, who has "no role in impeachment," according to a GOP leadership aide, despite being president of the Senate with the mandate to break ties. Pence's power, which applies to legislation and nominations, isn't in effect when the Senate is weighing removing his boss, an obvious conflict of interest since he would replace Trump if he were removed. Instead, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts would preside at the trial and any tie motions would fail. One of the senators, speaking anonymously, said McConnell would not call a vote on a motion to proceed to the impeachment articles unless he knew he had the 51 votes needed to end the trial, which would then set up a final vote on the articles themselves. On that final vote, 67 votes would be needed to convict Trump and remove him from office. The other senator, Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, said it "would make more sense" to move to vote on the articles of impeachment -- with their 67-vote requirement -- than on a motion to dismiss and "decide this on a 51-vote threshold, with the potential tie and all the recriminations that would flow from that." McConnell hinted at this strategy when he spoke to reporters on Tuesday and said the Senate would have two choices after hearing opening arguments from the House impeachment managers and the President's defense counsel. "It could go down the path of calling witnesses and basically having another trial or it could decide -- and again, 51 members could make that decision -- that they've heard enough and believe they know what would happen and could move to vote on the two articles of impeachment," he said. "Those are the options. No decisions have been made yet." www.cnn.com/2019/12/11/politics/mcconnell-impeachment-trial-acquittal/index.html
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Post by katie5445 on Dec 17, 2019 22:50:02 GMT -5
It will not go down the path of calling witnesses, hell, Trump, Mulvany and Rudy has admitted it on live tv, it shouldn't get any better than that but let's just give it a pass..............call Mick, Rudy, Perry, Bolton, you don't want to know the truth, the economy is to great, my pocket book is great, f**k the Constitution.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 20:18:09 GMT -5
It will not go down the path of calling witnesses, hell, Trump, Mulvany and Rudy has admitted it on live tv, it shouldn't get any better than that but let's just give it a pass..............call Mick, Rudy, Perry, Bolton, you don't want to know the truth, the economy is to great, my pocket book is great, f**k the Constitution. Your last phrase is EXACTLY what dumbocrats have done. Using the superficial trappings of the procedures of the Constitution does NOT hide their contempt for it at all.
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Post by oldarmybear on Dec 18, 2019 20:21:11 GMT -5
My investments have earned me a big chunk of change since Trump was elected. As far as I am concerned his fiscal policies rock...
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Post by katie5445 on Dec 19, 2019 21:40:11 GMT -5
It will not go down the path of calling witnesses, hell, Trump, Mulvany and Rudy has admitted it on live tv, it shouldn't get any better than that but let's just give it a pass..............call Mick, Rudy, Perry, Bolton, you don't want to know the truth, the economy is to great, my pocket book is great, f**k the Constitution. Your last phrase is EXACTLY what dumbocrats have done. Using the superficial trappings of the procedures of the Constitution does NOT hide their contempt for it at all. So "superficial trappings" are why Trump doesn't want to allow documents/witnesses? I think it is because he is a lying chicken shit who is guilty of everything that has been said. The left whined about procedures in Benghazi and I said grow up republicans followed the rules, the same as now. Both sides want to call foul when it is their party, that doesn't make it true or right.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2019 22:11:17 GMT -5
Your last phrase is EXACTLY what dumbocrats have done. Using the superficial trappings of the procedures of the Constitution does NOT hide their contempt for it at all. So "superficial trappings" are why Trump doesn't want to allow documents/witnesses? I think it is because he is a lying chicken shit who is guilty of everything that has been said. The left whined about procedures in Benghazi and I said grow up republicans followed the rules, the same as now. Both sides want to call foul when it is their party, that doesn't make it true or right. Yes SUPERFICIAL trappings. They followed "parliamentary procedure" BUT there was NO substance, no specific statutes violated, no criminal charges etc
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Post by katie5445 on Dec 20, 2019 1:17:59 GMT -5
Ya all those people were low level Never Trumpers and liars. If it is superficial and he did zip wrong, bring out the documents, lets here from Bolton who did say it was a "drug deal" let's get Mulvany, Perry, Pompeo to stand up. If you are on trial bring out those who can prove your innocence, isn't that what you would do in a trial for your life?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 12:14:54 GMT -5
Ya all those people were low level Never Trumpers and liars. If it is superficial and he did zip wrong, bring out the documents, lets here from Bolton who did say it was a "drug deal" let's get Mulvany, Perry, Pompeo to stand up. If you are on trial bring out those who can prove your innocence, isn't that what you would do in a trial for your life? Doesn't work that way. Up to PROSECUTORS to PROVE your guilt. We do NOT have a system to prove your innocence!
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Post by oldarmybear on Dec 21, 2019 9:05:56 GMT -5
the leftists here want to have their cake and eat it too. I will say it again, their party is going to pay a very steep price in the elections next year. Just imagine the havoc trump will create in the DC Swamp when he is reelected with a GOP Senate and House.
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Post by skrumpie on Dec 21, 2019 13:16:28 GMT -5
It is amazing to me that people born in this country do NOT understand that our system of law dictates that a person is innocent until proven guilty, and in no court of law is a defendant required to PROVE their innocence.
Are you listening, Katie?
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Post by oldarmybear on Dec 22, 2019 19:52:41 GMT -5
"Are you listening, Katie?"
Probably not. She is, despite what she says, a hard core leftist.
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Post by katie5445 on Dec 23, 2019 22:23:58 GMT -5
Nope, I'm in the Biden crowd, not quite hard core is it?
Yep Skrump I'm listening and waiting for transparency and that means those guys should testify. If Trump hasn't done wrong then he hasn't done wrong, my politics and policies I support don't matter and I'd just have to wait till someone of my flavour is elected as in what has gone before. I support ideas, not a person and I'm not the best of democrats either, I could easily become Independent.
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Post by skrumpie on Dec 24, 2019 9:06:42 GMT -5
Nope, I'm in the Biden crowd, not quite hard core is it? Yep Skrump I'm listening and waiting for transparency and that means those guys should testify. If Trump hasn't done wrong then he hasn't done wrong, my politics and policies I support don't matter and I'd just have to wait till someone of my flavour is elected as in what has gone before. I support ideas, not a person and I'm not the best of democrats either, I could easily become Independent. That, Katie, flies in the face of the law of the United States of America. NOBODY has to prove they haven't done anything wrong. Prosecution needs to prove they have.
I suggest you do some reading on defense. Most attorneys that specialize in defense will tell their clients, depending on the crime, not to cooperate with police, not to talk to the press, not to take the stand. It is up to the prosecution to prove the crime.
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Post by george on Dec 24, 2019 9:26:11 GMT -5
Would someone like to define the word "transparency" as it refers to politics. Everything I hear today is defined in the word transparency.
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Post by katie5445 on Dec 25, 2019 1:42:32 GMT -5
Sure, by the dictionary it is being obvious, frank, understood, simple word and much more than to do with politics.
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