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Post by themadjw on May 24, 2021 14:56:51 GMT -5
In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with Jesus, and Jesus was Jesus. Does that make sense to YOU?
Or maybe- In the beginning was God-the-Word, and God-the-Word was with God the-Father, and the Ghost-God, and all together they were God.
Or the fact that Jesus REPRESENTED God....
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 22:34:15 GMT -5
Let's take a closer look at John! John 1:1- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [They try to ignore that he was "WITH" God- for that means he wasn't LITERALLY God. Moses, too, was "God"- Ex 7:1-"I have made thee God to Pharaoh"- Darby] The "Word" here means Spokesman- one who SPOKE for God as the context clearly shows. 2- The same was in the beginning with God. 3- All things were made through him; and [Notice "THROUGH" him?] without him was not anything made that hath been made. 10- He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world knew him not. 14- And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth. the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 22:36:13 GMT -5
John 2:13- When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14- In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15- So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16- To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father's house into a market!" Not "MY House!" And EVERY Jew knew what a father is! He was FURIOUS over how they had defiled his God's TEMPLE! True WORSHIP! Jesus had both a divine and simultaneous human existence
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Post by themadjw on May 30, 2021 22:50:41 GMT -5
Oh, that's RICH! Where do you find THAT in the Bible!
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 23:03:56 GMT -5
Oh, that's RICH! Where do you find THAT in the Bible! In scripture Colossians 2:9 ESV
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
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Post by themadjw on May 31, 2021 11:13:38 GMT -5
John 3:1- Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2- He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him."
Jesus didn't correct him- how COULD he, when it was true! God Himself ('Themselves' in the Trinity Dogma) didn't come- but God had SENT him.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 11:55:36 GMT -5
John 1:1- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Colossians 2:9 ESV For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
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Post by themadjw on May 31, 2021 13:24:30 GMT -5
John 3:16- For God so loved the world that He gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17- For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18- Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only son.
Always quoted by the churches- never believed- for they believe God HIMSELF came to Earth!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 13:55:40 GMT -5
John 3:16- For God so loved the world that He gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17- For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18- Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only son. Always quoted by the churches- never believed- for they believe God HIMSELF came to Earth! John 1:1- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Colossians 2:9 ESV For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
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Post by themadjw on May 31, 2021 14:39:04 GMT -5
He's DETERMINED to ignore the context and the rest of the book of John. Triune Polytheism brings out the worst in churchoids...
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Post by themadjw on May 31, 2021 14:39:35 GMT -5
John 3:34- For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the spirit without limit. 35- The Father loves the son and has placed everything in his hands. 36- Whoever believes in the son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them.
Notice how, as ALWAYS God is spoken of as someone ELSE- NOT JESUS? Notice how, as ALWAYS God is spoken of as GIVING spirit?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 15:24:42 GMT -5
He's DETERMINED to ignore the context and the rest of the book of John. Triune Polytheism brings out the worst in churchoids... Stupidity unfortunately brings the idiocy out in YOU. John 1 speaks that God became flesh and dwelt among us, again which you reject.
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Post by themadjw on May 31, 2021 18:00:46 GMT -5
Heh! He's trying to divert using all the church-twisted scripture. Let's us continue on with John, as he ignores every detail!
John 5:16- So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17- In his defense Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at His work to this very day, and I too am working." 18- For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
(That is how they took his words- JUST as Churchianity does ; did he confirm or deny it? Pay attention to his answer!)
19- Jesus gave them this answer: "Very truly I tell you, the Son can do NOTHING by himself; he can do ONLY what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the son also does.
[Does that sound like Jesus is Supreme? Almighty? JESUS illustrates how he had to follow the direction of his God and Father]
20- For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21- For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22- Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the son.
[Notice Christ said he was ENTRUSTED with judgement? It is NOT something he HAD- it was GIVEN to him.]
23- that all may honor the son even as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
26- For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the son also to have life in himself.
Notice Christ said he was GRANTED to have life in himself? It. too, is something he did NOT have, the Trinity Dogma states the three 'Persons' are 'co-equal'; we not only never SEE such a group of Supreme Beings, but are shown that the son is NOT equal with the Father!
27- And he has given him authority to judge because he is the son of man.
[The Jewish clergy well knew Daniel's Prophecy of the son of man- one CHOSEN by God to be the King of Kings!- Dan 7)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 1:00:47 GMT -5
Heh! He's trying to divert using all the church-twisted scripture. Let's us continue on with John, as he ignores every detail! John 5:16- So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17- In his defense Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at His work to this very day, and I too am working." 18- For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God. (That is how they took his words- JUST as Churchianity does ; did he confirm or deny it? Pay attention to his answer!) 19- Jesus gave them this answer: "Very truly I tell you, the Son can do NOTHING by himself; he can do ONLY what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the son also does. [Does that sound like Jesus is Supreme? Almighty? JESUS illustrates how he had to follow the direction of his God and Father] 20- For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21- For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22- Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the son. [Notice Christ said he was ENTRUSTED with judgement? It is NOT something he HAD- it was GIVEN to him.] 23- that all may honor the son even as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the son does not honor the Father, who sent him. 26- For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the son also to have life in himself. Notice Christ said he was GRANTED to have life in himself? It. too, is something he did NOT have, the Trinity Dogma states the three 'Persons' are 'co-equal'; we not only never SEE such a group of Supreme Beings, but are shown that the son is NOT equal with the Father! 27- And he has given him authority to judge because he is the son of man. [The Jewish clergy well knew Daniel's Prophecy of the son of man- one CHOSEN by God to be the King of Kings!- Dan 7) John 1 speaks that God became flesh and dwelt among us, again . what escapes you?
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Post by themadjw on Jun 1, 2021 8:50:01 GMT -5
Does THIS sound like a 'God-the-Son'? A 1/3 'Co-Equal' God/person, nature? Or the son of God (the EXACT OPOSITE)?-
John 5: 30 - By myself I can do nothing; judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but Him who sent me. 31- "If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true. 36 - "I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish the very works that I am doing testify that the Father has sent me. 37- And the Father who sent me has Himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form.
Even again JESUS confirms God HASN'T been SEEN (as he once was), and refers to God as a separate entity.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 9:24:32 GMT -5
Does THIS sound like a 'God-the-Son'? A 1/3 'Co-Equal' God/person, nature? Or the son of God (the EXACT OPOSITE)?- John 5: 30 - By myself I can do nothing; judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but Him who sent me. 31- "If I testify about myself, my testimony is not true. 36 - "I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the works that the Father has given me to finish the very works that I am doing testify that the Father has sent me. 37- And the Father who sent me has Himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form. Even again JESUS confirms God HASN'T been SEEN (as he once was), and refers to God as a separate entity. John 10:30 ESV I and the Father are one.”
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